Linear Algebra and rank problem.

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The discussion revolves around a linear algebra problem concerning the rank of a 2x3 matrix A and the determinants of its 2x2 submatrices. The original poster is attempting to understand the conditions under which the matrix A has rank 2.

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  • Participants discuss the definition of rank and the relevance of determinants of 2x2 subsets of the matrix A. There is an emphasis on clarifying the conditions that relate the rank of A to the determinants being non-zero.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking to clarify the problem statement and the definitions involved. Some guidance has been provided regarding the interpretation of determinants in relation to the rank of the matrix.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the application of determinants to a non-square matrix and the specific conditions that must be met for the rank to be considered 2.

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I have the following problem which I can't figure out.

Let A = [a_11,a_12;a_13; a_21; a_22; a_23;]
Show that A has rank 2 if and only if one or more of the determinants

| a_11,_a_12; a_21,a_22| , |a_11,a_13;a_21,a_23|,|a_12,a_13;a_22,a_23|
I know its a 2x3 matrix..which the det. wouldn't apply since it is not square. Not sure how to proceede
 
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You might start by stating the problem correctly

"Show that A has rank 2 if and only if one or more of the determinants
| a_11,_a_12; a_21,a_22| , |a_11,a_13;a_21,a_23|,|a_12,a_13;a_22,a_23|" is what?? What is supposed to be true about them?

"I know its a 2x3 matrix..which the det. wouldn't apply since it is not square."
That's irrelevant- the problem doesn't say anything about the determinant of A (which doesn't exist) only the determinants of those 2 by 2 subsets.
 
HallsofIvy said:
You might start by stating the problem correctly

"Show that A has rank 2 if and only if one or more of the determinants
| a_11,_a_12; a_21,a_22| , |a_11,a_13;a_21,a_23|,|a_12,a_13;a_22,a_23|" is what?? What is supposed to be true about them?
the det is not equal to zero..
"I know its a 2x3 matrix..which the det. wouldn't apply since it is not square."
That's irrelevant- the problem doesn't say anything about the determinant of A (which doesn't exist) only the determinants of those 2 by 2 subsets.
Yeah i states how they had it though. sorry.
they said.. the det != 0
 
Okay, now that we have that straightened out, exactly what is your definition of "rank"? What do you get if you "row reduce" A?
 
the rank is the dimensions of the row space and column space of a matrix.
So when we do r-r-e, wherever we get leading ones, that is the rank #.
 

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