Link Budget Antenna: use of effective aperture and the gain in a problem

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation process for a link budget problem involving a parabolic antenna. Participants explore the relationship between gain and effective aperture in the context of power transmission and reception, addressing potential confusion in their application.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines their calculation process for determining power at the receiving antenna, expressing confusion about the inclusion of gain in the formula.
  • Another participant clarifies that gain should not be counted twice, explaining that gain represents directivity and is related to effective aperture.
  • Some participants suggest that gain might need to be applied twice if considering both transmitting (TX) and receiving (RX) antennas, but express uncertainty about this approach.
  • A later reply indicates that while gain should not be included twice for the same antenna, it is necessary to account for both TX and RX gains in the overall calculation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether gain should be applied twice in the calculations. There are competing views regarding the relationship between gain and effective aperture, and how they should be utilized in the formulas.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions of TX and RX, and how they relate to the gain and effective aperture in the context of the problem. There are also unresolved aspects regarding the appropriate application of these concepts in the calculations.

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Homework Statement
If we have a system where we receive power ## x ## W at the receiver. Find the power at the input if the receiver and transmitting antennae are parabolic and the same size / transmission efficiency.
Relevant Equations
Power density = Power / Area
Hi,

I was just attempting this problem and was confused about the calculation process involved.

Context:
In earlier parts of the question, we calculate the gain ## G ## and effective aperture ## A ## for the parabolic antennae.

My Attempt:
We are given the power at the output ## x ## in Watts
1) The receiving antenna has a gain ## G ## and therefore we must divide by that to get the power at the entry to the receiving antenna ## \frac{x}{G} ##
2) Convert the power to power density $$ P_{receiver} = P_r = \frac{x}{G \cdot A} $$
3) We know that:
$$ P_r = \frac{P_t G}{4 \pi R^2} $$ and therefore, we can find
$$ P_t = \frac{4 P_r \pi R^2}{G} $$

However, the answer only includes the gain ## G ## once, that is it uses the formula:
$$ P_t = \frac{4 x \pi R^2}{G A} $$

I cannot understand why this is the case. I know that the effective aperture and gain related to one another, but I thought the effective aperture was about the effectiveness of the physical antenna and the gain was about the amplification of the signal.

Should I not be counting the gain twice?

Any help is greatly appreciated
 
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I have answered this question and I should not include the gain twice. The antenna does not (according to my notes) act like an op-amp which physically amplifies the signal. The gain is a measure of directivity of the beam, which can also be represented by its physical characteristics (eg. its effective area). Therefore, there is no need to include the gain twice.
 
It seems like you might want to apply the gain twice if you are accounting for both the TX and RX antennas? But I can't tell it that's what you are wanting to do.
 
berkeman said:
It seems like you might want to apply the gain twice if you are accounting for both the TX and RX antennas? But I can't tell it that's what you are wanting to do.

Apologies, my post may have not been too clear. I also haven't seen the terms TX and RX, but I assume they stand for transmitting and receiving. So yes, we need to account for gain twice, but we shouldn't be including both gain and the effective aperture for the same antenna (as they are related to one another and describe the same phenomenon). So in my formula I should have included ## G_t ## and only one of ## G_r ## or ## A_{eff} ## (with the respective conversion formula).

Otherwise, I could have used the effective aperture for antennae as they have the same dimensions.
 

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