Local Limit Theorem: Explaining Little o Notation

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The discussion revolves around the application of little o notation in the context of the Local Limit Theorem from Shiryaev. Participants express confusion about how a fixed real number can be considered little o of another function, specifically in the expression involving ψ(n) = o(npq)^{1/6}. Clarifications are sought regarding the interpretation of the supremum in the limit as n approaches infinity and whether ψ(n) is fixed or variable. Ultimately, the thread concludes with a participant acknowledging their understanding after further consideration of the provided clarifications. The conversation highlights the nuanced interpretation of mathematical notation in probability theory.
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This theorem is from Shiryaev. Can someone PLEASE explain how they are using the little o notation here. It makes no sense to me how they say that a FIXED real number is little o of something. I thought f(n) = o(g(n)) mean that for ever c>0 there exists an n_o such that when n => n_0, |f(n)|<c|g(n)|.

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ehrenfest said:
It makes no sense to me how they say that a FIXED real number is little o of something.
Where did they say that?
 
Hurkyl said:
Where did they say that?

It says for all x \in R^1
 
ehrenfest said:
It says for all x \in R^1
That doesn't sound like a FIXED real number to me. And besides, they clarify what they mean immediately afterwards.
 
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Hurkyl said:
That doesn't sound like a FIXED real number to me.

They say for all x \in R^1 such that x = o(npq)^{1/6}. To me that means that you can take any real number that you want and see if it is o(npq)^{1/6}. I don't know how else to interpret it.
 
ehrenfest said:
I don't know how else to interpret it.
How about exactly how they interpreted it in the attachment you posted?
 
Hurkyl said:
How about exactly how they interpreted it in the attachment you posted?

That is precisely my question: How did they interpret it?
 
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ehrenfest said:
How did they interpret it?
as n \rightarrow \infty,
<br /> \sup_{\left\{ x : |x| \leq \psi(n) \right\}}<br /> \left|<br /> \frac{P_n(np + x \sqrt{npq})}{<br /> \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi npq}} e^{-x^2 / 2}<br /> } - 1<br /> \right| \rightarrow 0,<br />​
where \psi(n) = o(npq)^{1/6}.
 
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Hurkyl said:
as n \rightarrow \infty,
<br /> \sup_{\left\{ x : |x| \leq \psi(n) \right\}}<br /> \left|<br /> \frac{P_n(np + x \sqrt{npq})}{<br /> \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi npq}} e^{-x^2 / 2}<br /> } - 1<br /> \right| \rightarrow 0,<br />​
where \psi(n) = o(npq)^{1/6}.

OK. I will have to think about that. I am kind of confused about the sup above. Is \psi(n) fixed? If not, I don't understand how the sup is taken. Is it taken over all x AND over all \psi(n) that are o(npq)^{1/6}?
 
  • #12
anyone?
 
  • #13
I FINALLY figured this out! Hurky! was right that they clarify what they mean-that just wasn't clicking for me.
 

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