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The discussion centers on the detailed workings of transistors and logic gates in computing, particularly how they contribute to universal computation within processing units. Participants explore the relationship between transistors, logic gates, and their roles in memory and processing tasks.

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  • Conceptual clarification

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  • One participant expresses a need for a detailed explanation of how logic gates and transistors work together in processing units to perform universal computation.
  • Another participant explains that transistors and diodes form the basis of logic gates, which are used in flip flops for storing information, mentioning various types of programmable logic devices and memory types.
  • A participant describes a basic computer's operation, noting that it performs a single calculation with fixed inputs at each clock edge and holds the output until the next calculation.
  • One participant questions how a fixed set of logic gates can compute any calculation a universal computer can, suggesting a grid setup with activated gates after each clock switch.
  • A later reply discusses the integration of a large number of gates on microprocessor chips and mentions ongoing developments in transistor sizes and voltage reductions, recommending a book on Very Large Scale Integration for further information.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and seek clarification on specific aspects of the topic. There is no consensus on the detailed mechanisms of how logic gates compute universal calculations, and multiple viewpoints are presented regarding the structure and function of these components.

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Some participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding and express a need for more detailed resources, indicating that certain assumptions about the operation of logic gates and transistors may not be fully explored.

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Hi, I've looked everywhere for an explanation of this, including this forum, and none of them seem to satisfy the level of detail I am looking for. More specifically, I am interested in how processing units used a fixed setup of logic gates and transistors to perform universal computation. Also, while I understand how transistors function in storing/changing bits, I still don't where the logic gates are in the processing unit. Any help or guidance would be appreciated, Thanks!
 
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Transistors and diodes are basic elements in the logic gates and logic gates are used for implementing flip flops. Flip flops which gets it's name because they have clock pulses as their inputs are used to store information. Types of logic devices we have is Programmable logic devices, Programmable Logic Arrays, Programmable Array logic: CPLD, FPGA.
Memory devices : ROM, PROM, EPROM, EEPROM, EAPROM.
 
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The most basic computer imaginable performs a single calculation, with a fixed number of inputs, every time it is given a clock edge. It holds the output value until the next calculation is performed.

Then, over time you add more and more types of calculations.
 
Ok both those explanations make sense; so thank you. But, how is it that the same set of logic gates on a computer chip can compute any calculation that a universal computer can compute for the most part? Are the logic gates set up in a grid and certain ones activated after each clock switch?
 
Computational tasks are performed by a specific IC called Microprocessor. After years of development we have managed to integrate large number of gates on a single chip that it still mystifies some of us. From here on we will be looking to integrate more smaller sizes of transistors of the order 35nm on a microprocessor's chip. If possible maybe we will reduce the voltage that drives these millions of transistors for some reasons.
If you need more detailed information refer a book on Very Large Scale Integration.
The book will give detailed information on how transistor gates are etched on silicon wafers and how we are able to achieve such vast number of gates on such Silicon wafers.
 
Ok. I think I understand but I will definitely refer to the book you mentioned for more information.
 
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