News Looking for a name for a natural phenomenon

[Frenemy90210]

There are many cyclical phenomena occurring in a nature which have a similar pattern, such as:

• Farting, Yawning : (Slow buildup of gas over time and then sudden discharge of the gas)
• earthquake
• Slow capacitor charging and then sudden discharge
• Monjolo (Water powered hammer) :
• Sectarion riots/wars

Is there any name for such a phenomena ?

 

[ISamson]

Is there any name for such a phenomena ?

Do you mean the sudden release of the accumulated potential energy?
I don't understand what pattern you mean.

 

[Frenemy90210]

Do you mean the sudden release of the accumulated potential energy?
I don't understand what pattern you mean.

Yes but continually repetitive, not one-time occurrence.

 

[ISamson]

Yes but continually repetitive, not one-time occurrence.

Oh, yep, ok.
I will have a think.

 

[Stavros Kiri]

Yes but continually repetitive, not one-time occurrence.

Random or not? Periodic? ...

 

[Frenemy90210]

Yes but continually repetitive, not one-time occurrence.

Edit : Also note that phenomena does not apply to just energy, but also socialogical issues such as sectarian wars between two groups/. ex. Immediately after a war/riot, it is all peace. Then tensions start slowly building up and after some period, there is war once again; and the cycle continues.

Random or not? Periodic? ...

periodic.
Also note that phenomena does not apply to just energy, but also sociological issues such as sectarian wars between two groups/. ex. Immediately after a war/riot, it is all peace. Then tensions start slowly building up and after some period, there is war once again; and the cycle continues.

 

[Stavros Kiri]

I think they are just called 'Outbreaks'

 

[Stavros Kiri]

periodic

But not a constant period (e.g. wars, farting ...)

 

[ISamson]

But not a constant period (e.g. wars, farting ...)

Then they can't be periodic if they happen at different intervals and times.

 

[Frenemy90210]

But not a constant period (e.g. wars, farting ...)

yes, correct. Not a constant period.

 

[Frenemy90210]

Then they can't be periodic if they happen at different intervals and times.

Yes, the "term periodic" was not used in a scientific sense.ex. "Periodic outbreaks of Cholera"

 

[Stavros Kiri]

yes, correct. Not a constant period.

Then ' "Outbreaks" of different types' I think would be the name. I'll try to include or incorporate or generalize into it somewhow the "non-necessarilly constant periodicity".

First thought : 'Sporadic Outbreaks'
Does it work?

 

[ISamson]

Then ' "Outbreaks" of different types' I think would be the name. I'll try include or incorporate or generalize into it somewhow the "non-necessarilly constsnt periodicity".

First thought : 'Sporadic Outbreaks'
Does it work?

I think they are just called 'Outbreaks'

'Outbreaks' is a good hypothesis. I like it.

 

[Stavros Kiri]

'Outbreaks' is a good hypothesis. I like it.

How about the "Sporadic" part?

 

[Stavros Kiri]

Yes, the "term periodic" was not used in a scientific sense.ex. "Periodic outbreaks of Cholera"

I think "Sporadic" should be used instead of periodic. Do you agree?

 

[ISamson]

I think "Sporadic" should be used instead of periodic. Do you agree?

I do.

 

[Frenemy90210]

'Outbreaks' is a good hypothesis. I like it.

Yes. It should have been "sporadic" instead of periodic.
However, I think "Outbreaks"/"Sporadic outbreaks" does not completely reflect the phenomena. e.g. think of sporadic rashes on skin. There is no gradual buildup of anything between two incidents of rashes. Each time some one gets an infection, they get rashes.

What I was looking for is a process in which "slow accumulation of something over a period of time then sudden release of it and the process repeats".
Not all sporadic events have a gradual buildup of the causal elements that lead to outbreak.

 

[Stavros Kiri]

Or "Sporadic Causal Discharges" is a broader or better one?

 

[ISamson]

To say the truth I do not 100% understand the OP question.
It is a bit weird.

 

[Stavros Kiri]

"slow accumulation of something over a period of time then sudden release of it and the process repeats"

How about

Or "Sporadic Causal Discharges" is a broader or better one?

then.
Does it work?
But still looking into it (all your data) ...
It's a good question! You're trying to make a generalization ...

 

[Frenemy90210]

To say the truth I do not 100% understand the OP question.
It is a bit weird.

I think this link can be a good example.

 

[ISamson]

"Sporadic Causal Discharges"

Naturally occurring sporadic casual discharges - even better?
But are they truly random?

 

[ISamson]

I think this link can be a good example.

Ok, thank you.

 

[Frenemy90210]

Or "Sporadic Causal Discharges" is a broader or better one?

Thanks, but will wait for more suggestions .

 

[ISamson]

But are they truly random?

Any ideas?

 

[Stavros Kiri]

Any ideas?

I think they can be divided into categories: random, deterministic or chaotic ...

 

[Frenemy90210]

Any ideas?

No they are not truly random. But nothing in the universe is.

 

[Stavros Kiri]

Thanks, but will wait for more suggestions .

How about:

Naturally occurring sporadic casual discharges - even better?
But are they truly random?

I think they can be divided into categories: random, deterministic or chaotic ...

That covers me. Others can think of anything else?
You just made a new generalization right there ...

 

[ISamson]

I think they can be divided into categories: random, deterministic or chaotic ...

No they are not truly random. But nothing in the universe is.

Thank you.

I think they can be divided into categories: random, deterministic or chaotic ...

Right.

 

[Stavros Kiri]

So that phenomenon will have different types ... and at least 3 categories.
You can't put all in one, I think.

 

[ISamson]

So that phenomenon will have different types ... and at least 3 categories.

Yes, most likely.

You can't put all in one, I think.

You can't. True.

 

[Stavros Kiri]

Yes.
You can't.

I agree. Not all terms and generalizations have a "uniquely defined 'one-common-property' " ...
There may be more properies, that give rise to the types and categories of the phenomenon.

 

[ISamson]

Is there any name for such a phenomena ?

Wait, are you asking for a scientific name or a name that we could make up right now that suits the parameters?

 

[Frenemy90210]

Thank you.
Right.

Unfortunately I do not have enough background in maths to completely understand random, deterministic or chaotic.
Another example of the pattern in question is "pressure cooker whistle". The whistle (a kind of steam release switch) sporadically is raised by steam pressure to release the steam, which leads to reducing the pressure, which leads to closing of the switch which leads to slow buildup of the pressure and the cycle continues. This pattern can be seen in the universe frequently.

 

[Frenemy90210]

Thank you.
Right.

Unfortunately I do not have enough background in maths to completely understand random, deterministic or chaotic.
Another example of the pattern in question is "pressure cooker whistle". The whistle (a kind of steam release switch) sporadically is raised by steam pressure to release the steam, which leads to reducing the pressure, which leads to closing of the switch which leads to slow buildup of the pressure and the

Wait, are you asking for a scientific name or a name that we could make up right now that suits the parameters?

Not a scientific name. Just a general name that describes that pattern.

 

[ISamson]

Not a scientific name. Just a general name that describes that pattern.

From the dictionary (if possible)?

 

[ISamson]

Naturally occurring sporadic casual discharges - even better?

That's it then?

 

[Frenemy90210]

That's it then?

I guess that's it. (Except "Causal" instead of "Casual" ;) ).

Thanks.

 

[Stavros Kiri]

I guess that's it. (Except "Causal" instead of "Casual" ;) ).

Thanks.

It was spelled correctly the first time.

 

[ISamson]

It was spelled correctly the first time.

Yes, it was.

 

[Stavros Kiri]

A. 'Casual' is a different thing (other than being a typo). Causal means 'it has causes', it obeys Causality (or the principle of causality), or [obeys] the laws of nature, or ~ it is "naturally occurring", as successfully added by you guys. But since typically and rigorously 'causal' and 'naturally occurring' is not exactly the same thing, I like the full title (name, term) as modulated by the discussion:

Or "Sporadic Causal Discharges" is a broader or better one?

Naturally Occurring Sporadic Causal Discharges - even better?
But are they truly random?

I think they can be divided into categories: random, deterministic or chaotic ...

or more, perhaps + combinations etc.
For these 3 terms etc. see my next post.

B. But here is another idea, based on

What I was looking for is a process in which "slow accumulation of something over a period of time then sudden release of it and the process repeats".
Not all sporadic events have a gradual buildup of the causal elements that lead to outbreak.

How about "Causaly and Naturally repeated Sporadic Build-ups & Discharges" ?
(or all phenomena that have those properties)
But it's probably too long of a name. It describes it better and more accurate though than the previous one, doesn't it? Unless we find a shorter or more concise one ... , or suffice with the previous conclusion ... etc.; or anyone else more input, ideas or suggestions? ...

 

[Nidum]

Criticality , breakdown and system state bifurcation ?

 

[Stavros Kiri]

Criticality , breakdown and system state bifurcation ?

Or 'system saturation and discharges' ... (?)

 

[Mark44]

Edit : Also note that phenomena does not apply to just energy, but also socialogical issues such as sectarian wars between two groups/. ex. Immediately after a war/riot, it is all peace. Then tensions start slowly building up and after some period, there is war once again; and the cycle continues.

Not necessarily, so your example of a sociological phenomenon doesn't fit the category you're trying to find a name for. Note that phenomenon is the singular form; phenomena is the plural form.
For example, in Europe, starting in the 16th Century there were wars between the Catholics and the newly-formed Protestant offshoot. These wars erupted periodically for several centuries, but then died out.

 

[Stavros Kiri]

For example, in Europe, starting in the 16th Century there were wars between the Catholics and the newly-formed Protestant offshoot. These wars erupted periodically for several centuries, but then died out.

IMO, the repetitive cycle doesn't have to go forever. Even a few sporadic ones (cycles) should/could be in the category, I think.
As I said there would be different types and categories of the phenomenon (by the way, typo in your first spelling of 'phenomenon' - can fix). E.g. infinite cycled, finite, damping etc.
(besides random, deterministic or chaotic already mentioned ...)

(Also, e.g. a kettle once off the hook, or fire lowered would eventually stop ...)

 

[DaveC426913]

Doesn't this phenomenon generally fall under the science of chaos?

A dripping tap is a common example of an aperiodic, chaotic event.
Predator/prey population ratios is another example.
The output of the last iteration is a factor in the subsequent iteration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory

 

[Stavros Kiri]

Doesn't this phenomenon generally fall under the science of chaos?

Not always (read the thread)

 

[russ_watters]

Why isn't "cycle" good enough?

 

[Stavros Kiri]

Why isn't "cycle" good enough?

He needs an outburst etc. (or better a build up and an outburst ... etc., repeating sporadically, for any reason)
(e.g. see posts #41 & 43)