Looking for proof of Superpositional Energy Conservation

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The discussion centers on the conservation of energy in the context of wave superposition, specifically electromagnetic waves. Participants emphasize that while Maxwell's equations are linear and obey superposition, the energy density and Poynting vector, which are quadratic in nature, do not simply superpose. The need for a mathematical proof demonstrating that energy conservation holds after superposition is highlighted, with references to Poynting's theorem and energy balance equations. There is also a debate on whether quantum considerations should be included, with some arguing for a purely classical approach. Overall, the conversation seeks clarity on how energy conservation is maintained when dealing with superposed wave fields.
  • #31
greswd said:
If we really need to abandon infinitesimally small slit widths
It is an approximation. It is never "true", but it can be "valid" (meaning "close enough"). Its validity depends entirely on what you want to use it for, and when you get a clearly wrong answer it is always good to go back and check your approximations. For the purpose of post 26, the approximation gives an answer that is no longer "close enough", so it is not a valid approximation.

greswd said:
For a slit-spacing and wavelength ratio of 1, the superposed area is 22% larger than the un-superposed one. That's a pretty large discrepancy when we're trying to make the case that there should be no discrepancy at all.
What are you referring to here? What is this superposed area and what is the case are you trying to make?
 
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  • #32
greswd said:
What are you referring to here? What is this superposed area and what is the case are you trying to make?

The area under the intensity function that I first mentioned in #18.

You can play with the Desmos widget too:
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  • #33
greswd said:
The area under the intensity function that I first mentioned in #18
Again neither the intensity nor the Poynting vector obey superposition. As far as I understand what you are doing, the claim that there is no discrepancy is false, and it is not a case that I am trying to make.

The fields obey Maxwell's equations, which is linear and therefore the fields obey superposition. The fields also conserve energy, per Poynting's theorem. The intensity is the magnitude of the Poynting vector, so it is only a part of the energy conservation equation. Furthermore, the Poynting vector itself does not obey superposition.

Superposition and energy conservation are separate concepts.
 
  • #34
Dale said:
Again neither the intensity nor the Poynting vector obey superposition. The claim that there is no discrepancy is false, and it is not a case that I am trying to make.

The fields obey Maxwell's equations, which is linear and therefore the fields obey superposition. The fields also conserve energy, per Poynting's theorem. The intensity is the magnitude of the Poynting vector, so it is only a part of the energy conservation equation. Furthermore, the Poynting vector itself does not obey superposition.

Superposition and energy conservation are separate concepts.
If the intensity is only a part of the energy conservation equation, what's the other part?
 

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