Lorentz transformation matrix applied to EM field tensor

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The discussion revolves around the application of the Lorentz transformation matrix to the electromagnetic (EM) field tensor in the context of special relativity. Participants explore whether the transformation of the EM field tensor follows the same principles as the transformation of position and time four-vectors, and the implications of this relationship.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about whether the Lorentz transformation matrix for the EM field tensor should be the same as that for the position four-vector, questioning if this is obvious or requires proof.
  • Another participant clarifies that the components of the EM field tensor transform differently under Lorentz transformations, indicating that they are not generally the same as the original components.
  • A participant acknowledges understanding that the transformed field tensor components will differ but seeks clarification on why the transformation matrix remains consistent across different tensors.
  • Discussion includes a mathematical expression showing the transformation of the EM field tensor components, reinforcing that the transformation follows the same rules as other tensors under coordinate transformations.
  • Several participants express gratitude for clarifications and engage in a friendly exchange, indicating a collaborative atmosphere.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mathematical form of the transformation for the EM field tensor but have differing levels of understanding regarding the implications of using the same transformation matrix for different tensors. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the initial participant's question about the necessity of proof for the equivalence of transformation matrices.

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There is an implicit assumption that the participants share a foundational understanding of tensor calculus and Lorentz transformations, which may not be explicitly stated. The discussion also reflects varying levels of clarity regarding the relationship between different types of tensors and their transformations.

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In a recent course on special relativity the lecturer derives the Lorentz transformation matrix for the four vector of position and time. Then, apparently without proof, the same matrix is used to transform the EM field tensor to the tensor for the new inertial frame. I am unclear whether it should be obvious (if so why?) that the two are the same or whether the proof is non trivial (sketch of proof would help) and was just omitted.

Thank you.
 
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I'm not sure what you are asking. What do you want a proof of and what do you think should or should not be the same under the Lorentz transformation? If ##F_{\mu\nu}## are the components of the EM field tensor and ##\Lambda_{\mu\nu}## are the components of the Lorentz transformation then the components of the EM field tensor transform as ##F_{\mu'\nu'} = \Lambda^{\alpha}_{\mu'}\Lambda^{\beta}_{\nu'}F_{\alpha\beta}##. The components ##F_{\mu'\nu'}## are not in general the same as the components ##F_{\mu\nu}## if that is what you are asking.
 
Thanks for the reply. I understand that the components of the transformed field tensor will be different. What I was unclear about is why the lambda matrix is the same for the EM field as it is for the position four vector.
 
I was puzzled by the mention of a position vector.

It follows from ##F_{\mu'\nu'} = \Lambda^{\alpha}_{\mu'}\Lambda^{\beta}_{\nu'}F_{\alpha\beta}## that ##F^{\mu'\nu'}F_{\mu'\nu'}=F^{\mu\nu}F_{\mu\nu}##
 
If we have a coordinate transformation ##x^{\mu}\rightarrow x^{\mu'}## then the components of all tensors ##T^{a_1...a_n}_{b_1...b_m}## will transform as [tex]T^{\mu_1'...\mu_n'}_{\nu_1'...\nu_m'} = \frac{\partial x^{\mu_{1}'}}{\partial x^{\mu_{1}}}...\frac{\partial x^{\mu_{n}'}}{\partial x^{\mu_{n}}}\frac{\partial x^{\nu_{1}}}{\partial x^{\nu_{1}'}}...\frac{\partial x^{\nu_{n}}}{\partial x^{\nu_{m}'}}T^{\mu_1...\mu_n}_{\nu_1...\nu_m}[/tex]

So if we map ##x^{\mu}\rightarrow x^{\mu'} = \Lambda^{\mu'}_{\nu}x^{\nu}##, where ##\Lambda^{\mu'}_{\nu}## are the components of the Lorentz transformation, then [tex]\frac{\partial x^{\alpha}}{\partial x^{\mu'}} = \frac{\partial }{\partial x^{\mu'}}(\Lambda^{\alpha}_{\nu'}x^{\nu'}) = \Lambda^{\alpha}_{\nu'}\delta^{\nu'}_{\mu'} = \Lambda^{\alpha}_{\mu'}[/tex] thus [tex]F_{\mu'\nu'} = \frac{\partial x^{\alpha}}{\partial x^{\mu'}}\frac{\partial x^{\beta}}{\partial x^{\nu'}}F_{\alpha\beta} = \Lambda^{\alpha}_{\mu'}\Lambda^{\beta}_{\nu'}F_{\alpha\beta}[/tex]
 
Thanks, this is what I was looking for. Thank you for clarifying and sorry if the initial question was unclear.
 
qtm912 said:
Thanks, this is what I was looking for. Thank you for clarifying and sorry if the initial question was unclear.
No problem mate! Feel free to ask any further questions you may have.
 
Dear Mentz
Thanks for taking the trouble to reply. I meant coordinate transformation and I should not have mentioned the position vector. Anyway you have both addressed my question, thanks for that.
 
That's quite an elegant solution.
 

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