Lorentz transformation Problem, Confused on setting it up

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a problem related to the Lorentz transformation in special relativity. Participants are trying to understand how to set up the problem involving two events that occur at the same location but are separated by different time intervals in different inertial frames.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the problem's requirements, specifically whether it is asking for the spatial separation in another inertial frame where the time interval is 6 seconds.
  • Another participant suggests that the spacetime interval must remain constant across different frames, proposing the equation (\Delta s)^2 = (\Delta t)^2 - (\Delta \vec{x})^2 to analyze the problem.
  • A third participant introduces the Lorentz Transformation as a method to solve the problem, indicating that the known time interval in the S' frame can be used to derive other quantities like the spatial separation and the relativity factor γ.
  • A later reply indicates willingness to attempt the proposed methods to solve the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to solve the problem, with multiple methods and interpretations being discussed. The discussion remains unresolved as participants explore different perspectives and strategies.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions about the constancy of the spacetime interval and the application of the Lorentz Transformation that are not fully explored. The relationship between the different frames and the specific values of spatial separation is also not definitively established.

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So this is my first course in upper level physics, and I'm still trying to figure out special relativity.

The problem:

Two events occur at the same place in a certain inertial frame and are separated by a time interval of 4sec. What is the spatial separation between these two events in an inertial frame in which the events are separated by a time interval of 6 sec?

I know the problem states that the two events occur in a certain inertial frame (frame S), and have a dt = 4. but I'm confused as to what It is exactly asking, is it asking what the d would be in another inertial frame where the dt = 6? I'm Just confused on setting up the problem and feel stupid.
 
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I'm always rusty with this stuff too. SR is the hardest thing, don't believe people if they tell you otherwise ;) I would think that the total spacetime interval in both frames has to be the same, that is (\Delta s)^2 is the same in all frames. so let's use
<br /> (\Delta s)^2 = (\Delta t)^2 - (\Delta \vec{x})^2<br />
In the first frame we know that
<br /> (\Delta s)^2 = (4)^2\<br />
since there is no spatial change. But in the other frame it is
<br /> (\Delta s)^2 = (6)^2 - (\Delta \vec{x})^2<br />
Now the kicker is that (\Delta s)^2 is the same for both frames. The question is then, what does (\Delta \vec{x})^2 have to be to make that true? I hope this helps/is right.
 
This problem seems to be designed to give you a little experience in applying the Lorentz Transformation. In addition to the method that jfy4 described, you can also solve this directly by using the Lorentz Transformation. Let's say that the two events occur in the S frame of reference. According to the problem description, what is the difference in spatial positions between the two events (Δ x) and what is the difference in times of the two events (Δt)? Now, from the Lorentz Transformation, what are the corresponding quantities (Δx') and (Δt') for the S' frame of reference (expressed in terms of the relativity factor γ and v/c)? Since the problem statement already tells you what Δt' is in the S' frame of reference(6 sec), you can use one of the LT equations to solve for γ, and then v/c. You can then substitute into the other equation to get Δx'. The result you get should match what jfy4's method gives.
 
Thanks, I'll give this a try and see If I get anywhere with it.
 

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