Loss due to contraction vs loss due to expansion

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The discussion revolves around the formulas for frictional pipe loss due to contraction and expansion, specifically questioning the differences in their derivations and implications. The subject area includes fluid dynamics and pipe flow analysis.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand why different formulas are used for frictional losses in pipe contractions versus expansions, questioning the role of pressure variation in both scenarios. Some participants raise inquiries about modeling the effects of pipe diameter changes on pressure and velocity, while others discuss the implications of flow separation in relation to friction losses.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the formulas and their underlying principles. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of pressure changes in relation to pipe diameter, but no consensus has been reached on the validity of the claims regarding friction losses.

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Homework Statement


why the formula of fricitional pipe loss due to contraction is given by formula : kc(V^2)/2g ?
why the formula of fricitional pipe loss due to contraction can't be formula : (Va^2)-(Vb^2)/2g ? ,where Va= velocity at inlet , Vb = velocity at outlet ?

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in this link , i was told that the pressure varies in an unknown and unpredictable way. but , for pipe loss due to expansion , the formula is
(Va^2)-(Vb^2)/2g ? ,where Va= velocity at inlet , Vb = velocity at outlet ?this make me confused... isn't the pressure also varies in an unknown and unpredictable way in enlarged pipe ?
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-formula-for-the-loss-of-head-in-a-sudden-contraction-of-a-pipe-presented-in-terms-of-velocity-head-in-the-smaller-pipe
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How would you go about modelling the pipe diameter change effect on pressure?
 
Simon Bridge said:
Note: Quora is not a scientific source.
How would you go about modelling the pipe diameter change effect on pressure?
When the diamter small, velocity high, pressure low
 
I was told that the friction loss due to expansion is bigger than the friction loss due to contraction because of flow separation , is it true ? why ?
 

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