Magnetic Dipole: Discovering μ and Its Origin

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The discussion revolves around the formula for the magnetic moment, μ, particularly in the context of a sphere with radius R and its relationship to the magnetic field B. Participants explore the origins of the formula μ=½B(R^3) and seek clarification on the definition and derivation of magnetic moment.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the origin of the formula μ=½B(R^3) and seeks to understand who μ represents.
  • Another participant performs dimensional analysis on the formula, concluding that μ represents the magnetic moment, as it matches the dimensions of weber⋅meter.
  • A subsequent participant acknowledges the dimensional analysis but asks for the derivation of the formula from classical definitions of magnetic moment.
  • Another participant challenges the classical definition presented by the original poster, questioning its accuracy.
  • One participant suggests that more context is needed to address the original question, referencing a specific section in Jackson's text related to induced dipole moments in materials.
  • A later reply notes that the original equation appears to be a step off the established path and provides a reference to an article that includes a related equation for the dipole field in spherical coordinates.

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Participants express differing views on the definition of magnetic moment and the derivation of the formula. There is no consensus on the origin of the formula or the accuracy of the definitions provided.

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Participants indicate that the discussion may depend on specific contexts, such as the type of magnetic materials being considered and the conditions under which the magnetic moment is defined.

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does anyone knows where this formula comes from?

μ=½B(R^3)

I am considering a sphere of radius R, with B its magnetic field. Who is μ?

Thanks
 
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Starting with; μ = ½ B r3, we can apply dimensional analysis to the problem.
B is measured in tesla = N⋅m−1⋅A−1
Multiply B by m3 to get; μ = N⋅m2⋅A−1
We know force; N = kg⋅m⋅s−2
So; μ = (kg⋅m⋅s−2)⋅(m2⋅A−1)
μ = m3⋅kg⋅s−2⋅A−1
Which has exactly the same dimensions as;
See tables; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI_derived_unit
magnetic moment = weber⋅meter = m3⋅kg⋅s−2⋅A−1
So μ is the magnetic moment.
 
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Ok, that's right. But where does it comes from?

Starting from the classical definition for the magnetic moment for a charge distribution

μ=∑qr

I don't find an answer

Thanks
 
enerieire said:
Starting from the classical definition for the magnetic moment for a charge distribution

μ=∑qr

Are you sure that is the definition of magnetic moment?
 
We need the precise context of which problem you want to solve to help you. If you mean the induced dipole moment of a paramagnetic or diamagnetic medium by applying an external magnetic field, see Jackson, 3rd edition, Sect. 5.11.
 
There are many well trodden paths through this field. But the OP equation seems to be one or two steps off the path.
I agree we need more context to find the path again.
Maybe page 2 of this article will help; http://ccmc.gsfc.nasa.gov/RoR_WWW/presentations/Dipole.pdf
I quote:
The first equation of the dipole field in spherical polar coordinates (r,θ,φ)
is; B = 2 M cos θ / r3
where M is the dipole moment, which can be positive or negative.

From eqn (1) we get; M = ½ B r3 / cos θ
But on the dipole axis θ = 0, so; Cos θ = 1.
So; M = ½ B r3

The text box in the bottom corner gives the explanation and;
μ = 4π M / μo = M x 107.
 
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