Magnetic Field, Field Intensity and Magnetisation

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This discussion focuses on the calculation of magnetic field intensity (##\vec H##), magnetic flux density (##\vec B##), and magnetization (##\vec M##) using Ampere's Law in the context of a thin current-carrying wire. The user correctly derived the expressions for ##\vec H## and ##\vec M## but mistakenly substituted the formula for ##\vec B## into the magnetization equation. The final expressions for ##\vec B## were confirmed to be consistent with the derived equations, highlighting the importance of correctly identifying the parameters involved, particularly the permeability (##\mu##). The discussion also addresses the implications of evaluating these quantities at the wire's center (##s=0##), where singularities arise.

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Homework Statement
A conducting wire is placed along the z axis, carries a current I in the +z direction and
is embedded in a nonconducting magnetic material with permeability ##\mu##. Find the
magnitude and direction of ##\vec H##, ##\vec B##, ##\vec M## and the equivalent current ##\vec J_b## at the point (x,0,0).
Relevant Equations
Ampere's Law: ##\oint \vec B \cdot d\vec l##
##\vec H## and ##\vec B## Relation: ##\vec H = \frac 1 \mu_0 \vec B - \vec M##
Permeability: ##\mu = \mu_0 (1+ \chi_m)##
Magnetisation: ##\vec M = \chi_m \vec H##
Hello there, I've worked through this problem and I would just like to check whether I've understood it correctly. I found ##\vec H##, ##\vec B## and ##\vec M## using Ampere's Law and the above relations as I would for any thin current carrying wire and these were my answers:
$$\vec H = \frac I {2\pi s} \hat \phi$$ $$\vec B = \frac {\mu I} {2\pi s} \hat \phi$$ $$\vec M = \chi_m \frac I{2\pi s} \hat \phi$$

For the point (x,0,0) I would simply swap ##x## for ##s##.

Then using ##\vec J_b = \nabla \times \vec M## I tried to calculate ##\vec J_b##. All but one of the terms of the cross product evaluate to 0 leaving:
$$\vec J_b = \frac 1 s \frac \partial {\partial s}(s M_\phi) \hat z = \frac 1 s \frac \partial {\partial s}(s \chi_m \frac {\mu I}{2\pi s}) \hat z$$

Which as it turns out also evaluates to 0. This leads me to believe I must have misunderstood something about the question since I don't expect I would be asked to find ##\vec J_b## if it was simply 0. If somebody could help me figure out what I've done wrong I'd appreciate it.
 
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Without comparing any of the equations to what we know about electromagnetic theory, we can see there must be an error in the first part, as substituting your formula for ##\vec{\mathit H}## into your magnetisation equation gives
$$\vec M = \chi_m \frac {I}{2\pi s} \hat \phi$$
whereas you have written
$$\vec M = \chi_m \frac {\mu I}{2\pi s} \hat \phi$$

Since the problem did not specify that ##\mu=1##, at least one of those two must be wrong.
 
andrewkirk said:
Without comparing any of the equations to what we know about electromagnetic theory, we can see there must be an error in the first part, as substituting your formula for ##\vec{\mathit H}## into your magnetisation equation gives
$$\vec M = \chi_m \frac {I}{2\pi s} \hat \phi$$
whereas you have written
$$\vec M = \chi_m \frac {\mu I}{2\pi s} \hat \phi$$

Since the problem did not specify that ##\mu=1##, at least one of those two must be wrong.

Yes you are quite right, I accidentally put in the result for ##\vec B## instead of ##\vec H## when I wrote the expression for ##\vec M##. Thank you for pointing that out, I have edited it to make it correct.
 
It still contains algebraic errors.

Add your formulas for ##\vec H## and ##\vec M## together, then multiply by ##\mu_0## to get a formula for ##\vec B##. That formula doesn't match the formula for ##\vec B## you have written above, and again both can't be correct unless ##\mu = 1##, which is not given.
 
I'm sorry but I don't see what you mean. Applying your correction and doing as you say:
$$\vec H + \vec M = \frac I {2\pi s} \hat \phi + \chi_m \frac I{2\pi s} \hat \phi = (1 + \chi_m) \frac I{2\pi s} \hat \phi$$
Multiplying by ##\mu_0##:
$$\mu_0(\vec H + \vec M) = \mu_0 (1 + \chi_m) \frac I{2\pi s} \hat \phi$$

Which gives the expression for ##\vec B##:
$$\vec B = \frac {\mu I} {2\pi s} \hat \phi = \mu_0 (1 + \chi_m) \frac I{2\pi s} \hat \phi$$
 
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I think you correctly calculate the curl of ##\vec{M}## as zero for all ##s\neq 0##.

My only concern is what happens when ##s=0##. Is it ##|\vec{M}|=\infty ##and ##|\vec{J_b}|=\infty ## for ##s=0##?
 
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Delta2 said:
I think you correctly calculate the curl of ##\vec{M}## as zero for all ##s\neq 0##.

My only concern is what happens when ##s=0##. Is it ##|\vec{M}|=\infty ##and ##|\vec{J_b}|=\infty ## for ##s=0##?
Yes you are right that is a problem in this case. I think it's because the wire is taken to be infinitely thin in this question. A different but very similar problem I have done before involves a cylindrical wire of radius ##a## and magnetic susceptibility ##\chi_m## where the current density inside the wire is proportional to the radius. For that problem I calculated:
$$\vec J_b = \chi_m I \frac {3s}{2\pi a^3} \hat \phi$$
Which would have ## \left|\vec J_b \right|\rightarrow 0## as ##s \rightarrow 0##, avoiding that issue.
 
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