Magnetic field/simple current loop

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The discussion centers on the magnetic field generated by a current loop tilted 90 degrees in the xy plane, specifically examining its strength and behavior at various points. It is noted that the magnetic field's strength is not simply proportional to the inverse square of the distance from the current loop, especially for a closed loop, which complicates calculations. The participants explore the contribution of each segment of the current loop and the symmetry of the magnetic field, indicating that calculating the total field requires more advanced methods such as elliptic functions. Additionally, the relationship between the magnetic field and the solid angle subtended by the current loop is highlighted, linking it to the magnetic scalar potential. Overall, understanding the magnetic field of a finite loop involves complex mathematics and concepts beyond basic inverse square relations.
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given a current loop, centered at the origin, and tilted 90 degrees so that it enters at x=1 and exits at x=-1, carrying a unit amount of current, and completely disregarding the z axis.

is the strength of the magnetic field at any point in the xy plane proportional to 1/(distance from 1,0)^2 - 1/(distance from -1,0)^2

in other words does it have an inverse square relation to the current passing through those two points.

I know there are better ways to calculate the net field but I'm looking to understand what is happening here at an intuitive level.

I need the whole field. not just the far field or some sort of approximation.
 
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what I mean is:

can I find the contribution of each of the 2 currents separately by simply finding the vector which is at a right angle to the vector from that point to the current and making its magnitude equal to 1/(distance to the current)^2

and is adding those 2 vectors all that i need to do to calculate the total field
 
If it is a closed loop, B does not go like 1/r^2.
 
ok. so evidently thet won't work.

thinking 3 dimensionally, if we look at only one of the 2 currents (due to current along line element dL) then we can see from the symmetry that its field is confined to a wedge extending from the origin through the endpoints of that line element.

I have no idea how to go about calculating the resulting field. I've never seen or done anything like it.
 
To find the magnetic field of a finite loop, you will need to use elliptic functions. It's complicated.

However, it can be proven in general that

\vec B(\vec r) \propto \nabla \Omega(\vec r)

where \Omega(\vec r) is the (oriented) solid angle subtended by the current loop at the observation point.
 
any connection to the scalar potential of a magnetic field?
 
granpa said:
any connection to the scalar potential of a magnetic field?
Yes, Omega is the magnetic scalar potential, which happens to equal the solid angle subtended by a current loop of any shape.
For a circular current loop, the MSP can be found be either an elliptic integral, or by a Legendre polynomial, partial wave expansion.
 
so the msp isn't so much discontinuous as multi-valued (like an angle)?
 
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It's multivalued, or discontinuous if you make a branch cut.

However, in free space (in the absence of any currents), it is single-valued, as in this case (there is no J at the observation point).
 
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