Magnetic Field Strength & Maximum Weight Liftability

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of using a magnetic field generated by coiled magnet wire to lift or move hollow carbon steel balls within a plastic tube. Participants explore the principles of magnetism, electromagnetism, and potential applications related to magnetic levitation and propulsion systems.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the mechanism by which the magnetic field would cause the balls to lift, expressing skepticism about the feasibility of the idea.
  • Another participant draws a parallel to the principles of electromagnets used in maglev trains, suggesting that similar concepts could apply.
  • Concerns are raised about the necessity of superconductors or electric fields for levitation, with a participant stating that magnetic fields alone cannot do work.
  • A suggestion is made to attract the balls from one end of the tube to the other, rather than attempting to lift them.
  • One participant proposes that an alternating current (AC) is needed to create a changing magnetic field that induces eddy currents in the steel balls.
  • Another participant notes that the steel balls would likely be attracted to the ends of the electromagnet due to the nature of the magnetic field within a solenoid.
  • Participants discuss the concept of a coil gun and a rail gun as potential methods to achieve the desired movement of the balls, with references to external resources provided.
  • A participant clarifies their goal of moving the balls in a loop, indicating a shift in focus from levitation to magnetic pull and repulsion.
  • One participant mentions their internship project involving the development of a Multiphase Heat Transfer System, which is not powered by a pump, as the motivation for their inquiry.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of lifting the balls with a magnetic field, with some skeptical about the concept while others suggest alternative methods for moving the balls. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the effectiveness of the proposed methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions regarding the nature of magnetic fields, the requirements for levitation, and the specific configurations of current needed to achieve the desired effects. There is no consensus on the best approach to the problem.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring concepts in electromagnetism, magnetic levitation, and propulsion systems, as well as those involved in related engineering projects or internships.

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Hello,
I am working on a project in which hollow carbon steel balls(1.5" diameter)(weighing 127.005g a piece) are placed in a plastic tube (1&5/8" innner diameter). Surrounding the plastic tube is enamel coated magnet wire(coiled around the plastic tube) in which a current(12 volts) is passing through the wire thus creating a magnetic field. My question is will the magnetic field be strong enough to lift the balls. Also what is the maximum weight that magnetic field produced can lift? Please include equations used. If you need any more details please feel free to ask. Thank You
 
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why would the B field cause the balls to lift. I don't think anything will happen. Or am I crazy?
 
Yeah, I'm confused too. How, exactly, did you plan the balls be lifted with the magnetic field?
 
I thought the trains have a superconductor on them. The only way you could levitate stuff with a static field is if you have a superconductor or an E field with a charged object. B fields can't do work
 
ok...good point...how about i attract the balls from one end of the tube to the other end where the coils are present..will that work?
 
I think you need an AC current to produce a changing B field that will induce eddy currents in the material and that will produce a B field that will oppose the change in flux.
watch the last 20 minutes of this video he talk about magnetic levitation.
 
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I think the steel balls will be attracted to the ends of the electromagnet, but not to the center. The field inside a solenoid is pretty close to constant. The steel will be pulled in the direction of increasing field strength.
 
i did watch that video..very interesting and informative..but i think your close to what i want but not quite it..he levitated that doll by the repulsion of the physical wire to the conductor..it wasn't the magnetic field itself levitating the doll..maybe i am thinking of my project the wrong way..my goal is to move balls from one end of the tube to the other...maybe i should look into magnetic pull and repulsion rather than levitation...thank you for your help and time...much appreciated
 
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It sounds like what you want is a coil gun. Look it up. You use multiple coils down a line.
 
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that is exactly what i want to accomplish except i want the projectile to go in a loop...thank you
 
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Thanks for your references.. i need help on this topic because i am doing an internship at a company, and i am trying to develop a Multiphase Heat Transfer System which is not powered by a pump.
 

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