Magnetic fields and loop of wire

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A rectangular loop of wire is placed near a long straight wire, prompting a discussion on calculating the net magnetic force exerted on the loop. The magnetic force is determined using the equation F = BIl, where B is the magnetic field generated by the straight wire. Participants clarify that the loop's segments parallel to the wire experience a force, while those perpendicular to it cancel each other out, resulting in no net contribution from the perpendicular segments. The confusion regarding electric fields is addressed, emphasizing that the interaction is purely magnetic. The final takeaway is that only the forces from the parallel segments need to be considered for the net force calculation.
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Homework Statement


A rectangular loop of wire of size 5 cm x 15 cm is placed near a long straight wire with side CD at a distance of 5 cm from it, as shown in figure 6.29. What is the net force exetred on the loop (magnitude and direction)? How does your answer change if the current in the loop is reversed?


Homework Equations


F = BIl
B = 4pi-7/2pi x I/r

The Attempt at a Solution


First I tried to figure out the net electric field at DC (same as AB). I added the magnetic field from the wire and the field from AB to get the net magnetic field at DC. But then I got confused, because what I have now is the net electric field. What length from the equation F=BIl should be used, is that 15 cm as that is the length of the loop? Or should I figure out the magnetic field from the wire and AB indivdually, calculate the force of each and then add them?
 

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poskhare said:
First I tried to figure out the net electric field at DC (same as AB). I added the magnetic field from the wire and the field from AB to get the net magnetic field at DC. But then I got confused, because what I have now is the net electric field. What length from the equation F=BIl should be used, is that 15 cm as that is the length of the loop? Or should I figure out the magnetic field from the wire and AB indivdually, calculate the force of each and then add them?
There is no electric field. Current carrying wires and loops are electrically neutral. The attraction is magnetic. Calculate the magnetic force on each loop segment and then find the net force. Note that the total force on the segment of the loop perpendicular to the wire is equal and opposite to the segment parallel to it on the other sides.
 
I meant to write magnetic field, not electric field. But I need to calculate all for sides? The parallel are easy, but when it comes to the perpendicular, how do I add the force of these to the rest since they are perpendicular and not parallel?
 
Nevermind my comment about the perpendicular sides, because they cancel out, right?
 
poskhare said:
Nevermind my comment about the perpendicular sides, because they cancel out, right?
Right. At any particular distance from the wire there are equal and opposite forces acting on the perpendicular segments so the net force contributed by the perpendicular segments is zero.
 
Okay, thank you!
 
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