Magnetic Fields: I don't understand cylindrical current systems

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the magnetic fields generated by a cylindrical current system, specifically a current-carrying cylinder surrounded by a cylindrical shell. Participants explore how to determine the magnetic field in various regions: inside the cylinder, between the cylinder and the shell, within the shell, and outside the shell. The conversation touches on theoretical concepts and applications of Ampere's law.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Homework-related, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to analyze the magnetic field in a system with a current running in a cylinder surrounded by a cylindrical shell, questioning whether the fields can be summed or if they cancel out when currents are opposite.
  • Another participant suggests that the configuration resembles a coaxial cable, indicating a potential analogy for understanding the system.
  • A participant mentions that if the cylinders are much longer than their radii, Ampere's law can be applied to find the magnetic field due to the inner current.
  • Another response confirms the use of Ampere's law and provides formulas for calculating the magnetic field inside and outside the cylinder, specifying the variables involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the applicability of Ampere's law for this scenario, but there is no consensus on the overall approach to summing the fields or the behavior of the fields outside the shell when currents are opposite.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the system's geometry and the nature of the currents may not be fully articulated, and the discussion does not resolve the conditions under which the fields might cancel or combine.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in electromagnetism, particularly those studying magnetic fields in cylindrical geometries or preparing for related homework problems.

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This is a really bad picture, but it should kind of give the idea.
How do I deal with a system where a current is running in a cylinder surrounded by a cylindrical shell? I know this sounds like a homework question, and it is related to a few of them, but it's the whole concept of the system I don't really understand. Basically I need to know how to find the magnetic field inside the cylinder, between the cylinder and the shell, in the shell, and outside the shell. Is it basically just a sum of the two independent fields? Also do the fields cancel outside of the shell if the currents are opposite?
 
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So we are talking about a cylinder inside another one of a greater radius, like a piece of coaxial cable?
 
If the cylinders are much longer than their radii, you can use Ampere's law for the inner current.
 
Yes, What clem said is correct. using ampere law you can easyly find magnetic field inside and outside the cylinder. Assume your radius of the cylinder is R. then if you want to find the magnetic field outside the cylinder assume its outside radius(distance) is r then the formula is B(magnetic field)=(Permiabilityof the space*Current)/(2*pi*r). if you want to find the magnetic field inside the cylinder assume its inside radius(distance) is r then the formula is B(magnetic field)=(Permiabilityof the space*Current*r)/(2*pi*R*R).
 

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