Magnetic Force Inverse Cubed Law?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the applicability of the inverse cube law for magnetic forces, particularly in scenarios involving electromagnets and ferromagnetic materials, such as iron nuts. Participants explore whether the inverse cube law holds true in these contexts or if the inverse square law may apply instead.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of the inverse cube law when an electromagnet attracts an iron nut, suggesting a potential application of the inverse square law instead.
  • Several participants assert that the inverse cube law is incorrect, with references to the inverse square law and its relevance to magnetic monopoles, which are theorized but not observed.
  • Another participant explains that a monopole field would follow an inverse square law, while a dipole field, such as that from a bar magnet, follows an inverse cube law at sufficient distances.
  • A participant argues that in certain real-world applications, particularly with asymmetrical magnets, the inverse square law may apply, challenging the notion that magnetic fields always decrease with the inverse cube law.
  • There is mention of an experiment that supports the assertion of the inverse square law in specific configurations of magnets with extreme aspect ratios.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the applicability of the inverse cube law versus the inverse square law in magnetic force scenarios. Multiple competing views remain, with no consensus reached on the correct framework for understanding these magnetic interactions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the discussion is limited by the assumption that magnetic monopoles do not exist and that the behavior of magnetic fields may vary significantly based on the geometry and configuration of the magnets involved.

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I was reading <crackpot link removed> and was wondering if the inverse cube law for magnetic force still applied for situations where the object being attracted isn't another magnet itself? E.g. if there is an electromagnet attracting an iron nut is the rule still inverse cube and not inverse square?

Thanks,
Z.C
 
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A "monopole" field goes like 1/r2. Magnetic monopoles don't actually exist as far as we know to date, but some situations can produce a field which is approximately a monopole field over a limited region. For example, if you have a long bar magnet and you stay close to one pole.
A "dipole" field goes like 1/r3. This is what you get from a current loop or a bar magnet, when you get far enough away that it appears "small."
 
Actually Dazza95 is more correct.

The inverse square law applies even in real world applications where the magnet is sufficiently asymmetrical to represent a "virtual" monopole.

Here is a link to an experiment which proves this assertion. The "bar magnet" in this experiment had an aspect ratio of over 100:1

http://www.u-picardie.fr/~dellis/Documents/PhysicsEducation/general%20rule%20for%20the%20variation%20of.pdf

I would surmise that in dipole magnets that are more symmetrical, the opposite pole is close enough to have a substantial influence on the overall net readings such as to reduce the field strength much more radically as the distance increases than with longer more asymmetric magnets where the opposite pole is at rather great distance . . .

Unfortunately most physics sources (wrongly) simply throw out the dogma that magnetic field with increasing distance is the inverse cube - - when it is not when extreme aspect ratios are encountered.

This is an important distinction.



willem2 said:
There would be an inverse square law for magnetic monopoles, but these don't exist as far as we know. A magnetic dipole produces a field that follows an inverse cube law.

see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_between_magnets
 
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