Magnetic pendulum and electric energy....

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interaction between a magnetic pendulum and a coil connected to a galvanometer, specifically exploring the implications of electromagnetic induction and energy conservation. Participants examine whether electrical energy is generated by the pendulum's motion and how this relates to the laws of physics, including Newtonian mechanics and Lenz's law.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the energy provided to the pendulum is lost entirely to friction or if it generates electrical energy when oscillating inside a coil, potentially violating conservation of energy.
  • Another participant asserts that the induced current in the coil generates heat due to the coil's resistance, indicating that energy is dissipated as the pendulum undergoes damped harmonic motion.
  • A third participant challenges the notion that the pendulum does not "know" it is oscillating inside a coil, emphasizing that the presence of the coil exerts a force on the pendulum that affects its motion.
  • There is a suggestion that Lenz's law plays a role in slowing down the magnet, which would not occur if the magnet were not oscillating inside the coil.
  • One participant states that the claim of generating electrical energy must be incorrect because it would violate the conservation of energy, although this assertion is contested.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the pendulum generates electrical energy and the implications for conservation of energy. There is no consensus on the correctness of the initial claim or the role of Lenz's law.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of the pendulum and the effects of electromagnetic induction, which may not be fully resolved. The role of external factors such as air resistance and the specific conditions of the experiment are not detailed.

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A simple pendulum oscillating inside a coil obviously does not generate electricity, or does it?
While reading about electromagnetism from the OpenStax books with my son (and doing some experiments), he asked this question.

Suppose I hang a pendulum and make it oscillate inside a coil connected to a Galvanometer as shown in the schematic diagram:

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Hopefully the image is clear enough. His argument is that the analysis of the pendulum from Newtonian mechanics suggests that the initial potential energy that I provide to it (##mgh##) is converted into its kinetic energy (##\frac{1}{2} mv^2##). Then the energy dissipates through losses as pendulum eventually comes to a standstill. Thus, the energy I provide in raising the magnet initially is finally lost in friction or to the surrounding air.

But if the magnet is made to oscillate inside a coil, according to Faraday's law, electricity is generated in the coil as the Galvanometer needle shows the deflection. The pendulum does not know that it is made to oscillate inside a coil and it ends up inducing electromotive force in it (as a mere side-effect).

Have I not generated electrical energy violating the law of conservation of energy?

How will you refute this claim?

Does Lenz's law come into the picture and slow down the magnet (since ##F = -\frac{d\phi}{dt}##) which would not have happened had the magnet pendulum not oscillated inside the coil?
 
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KedarMhaswade said:
Summary:: A simple pendulum oscillating inside a coil obviously does not generate electricity, or does it?

Does Lenz's law come into the picture and slow down the magnet (since F=−dϕdt) which would not have happened had the magnet pendulum not oscillated inside the coil?
Absolutely. The induced current in the coil generates heat because the coil has non-zero resistance. That's where the energy goes. The magnet will execute damped harmonic motion and come to a stop regardless of air resistance. You may wish to read about eddy current braking here.
 
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KedarMhaswade said:
The pendulum does not know that it is made to oscillate inside a coil
Putting something in bold doesn't make it true. There is a force exerted on the pendulum with the coil that does not exist without the coil. So in the sense that the pendulum "knows" anything it does know that it is made to oscillate inside a coil.

KedarMhaswade said:
Have I not generated electrical energy violating the law of conservation of energy?

How will you refute this claim?
By pointing out the recognized fact that it violates the conservation of energy so it must be wrong.
 
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Dale said:
Putting something in bold doesn't make it true.
True ;-). Wouldn't the button say "True" otherwise?
 
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