Magnetism (Current-Carrying Wires)

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The problem involves two parallel current-carrying wires connected by springs, with the objective of finding the spring constants based on the forces generated by the magnetic fields due to the current flowing through the wires.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of relevant equations, including the spring force equation and the magnetic force between the wires. There are attempts to derive the spring constant using given parameters and relationships.

Discussion Status

Some participants have shared their calculations and results, while others have questioned the correctness of the approaches taken. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the forces, current, and spring constants, with no clear consensus reached on the accuracy of the results.

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Participants mention specific values for constants and parameters, such as the permeability of free space and the current calculated from the resistances, which may be subject to verification. The problem context includes constraints related to the setup of the wires and springs.

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1. Homework Statement
Two straight wires, each with a resistance of 0.170 ohm and a length of 3.90m, are lying parallel to each other on a smooth horizontal table. Their ends are connected by identical, non-conducting, light springs, each spring having an unstretched length of 1.08 cm. A wire of negligible resistance connects the wires at one end. When a switch is closed to connect a battery with a voltage of 49.0 V between the other ends of the wires, the wires move apart and come to rest with a separation of 1.57 cm

Question: Find the force constants of the springs.




2. Homework Equations

F=-kx
(F/L)=(u0I1I2)/2Pi r




3. The Attempt at a Solution

I tried to solve using the equations above for K, and does not work.
 
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Did you modify the k in the spring equation to take into account the presence of both springs in a parallel arrangement?
 
Yes I did. This is what I got:
F=-2kx
(F/L)=(uI^2)/(2pi a)

k=(uI^2L)/(4piax)

I tried solving this, but got wrong answers. What I did:
u=1.26e-6 (Constant given to use)
I=144.1176 (Combining resistors in series and finding current)
L=3.90 (Length of the wire)
a=0.0157 (separation of the wires)
x=0.0049 (stretch of the spring)

Thats what I use, and I got 106 N/m. Can you verify that please?
 
due to passing of current the magnetic field is created in the rods hence we know the formula F=vlb from that u can find the force and from F=kx u can find the spring constant
 
So what I have is correct? Can you check?
 
Charanjit said:
Yes I did. This is what I got:
F=-2kx
(F/L)=(uI^2)/(2pi a)

k=(uI^2L)/(4piax)

I tried solving this, but got wrong answers. What I did:
u=1.26e-6 (Constant given to use)
I=144.1176 (Combining resistors in series and finding current)
L=3.90 (Length of the wire)
a=0.0157 (separation of the wires)
x=0.0049 (stretch of the spring)

Thats what I use, and I got 106 N/m. Can you verify that please?
I agree, good job.

dineshnaveen said:
due to passing of current the magnetic field is created in the rods hence we know the formula F=vlb from that u can find the force and from F=kx u can find the spring constant
Charanjit already knew that!
 
Thank you. :)
 

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