Magnitude of induced current

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of induced current in a solenoid when a bar magnet is pushed in and pulled out. Participants explore the relationship between the force applied, the speed of the magnet, and the resulting induced current as measured by a galvanometer. The scope includes experimental observations and interpretations of an exam question related to this concept.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Debate/contested, Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant observes that the galvanometer shows greater deflection when the magnet is pushed into the solenoid compared to when it is pulled out, despite using equal force in both cases.
  • Another participant argues that if the magnet is pushed in and pulled out at the same speed, the rate of change of magnetic flux should be the same, suggesting that the induced current should also be the same for both actions.
  • A participant mentions that the exam question implies equal force but does not explicitly state equal speeds, leading to uncertainty about the reasoning behind the differing induced currents as per the marking scheme.
  • There is speculation about whether the question's author had a specific reason for suggesting different induced currents, but this reasoning is not clarified.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the induced current should be the same in both scenarios. Some believe that equal force implies equal speed and thus equal induced current, while others question the validity of the exam marking scheme that states otherwise.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential ambiguities in the relationship between force, speed, and induced current, as well as the assumptions made in the exam question. There is no consensus on the reasoning behind the differing induced currents as stated in the marking scheme.

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A simple experiment of pushing magnet bar into solenoid & pulling it out from solenoid. If galvanometer is used to measure magnitude of induced current, galvanometer will show greater deflection when the bar magnet is pushed into the solenoid but the deflection will be less when the magnet is pull out from the solenoid. Assume force used is equal in both situation. Is there any specific reason for this difference? Does it has something to do with the rate of cutting of the magnetic flux?

I hope someone can answer this because I tried to look for the answer in the web but couldn't find it.
 
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If the bar magnet is pushed in and then pulled out at the same speed, the rate of change of magnetic flux will be the same (in magnitude), so the induced current should be the same for both cases.

Put another way, if the current are different, then the magnet went in and out at different speeds.

Did you read somewhere that the currents would be different, or is this your own observation from doing the experiment yourself?
 
Thanks for the response Redbelly98. I got it from an exam question. The question said the same force is used to push into & pull out the bar magnet. From that statement I assume the speed of the bar magnet is the same in both situation. The problem is the marking scheme for that question said that the magnitude will be different, induced current when pushing into is greater than when pulling out. I suspected the answer provided is wrong. Do you think the same?
 
Hmm, so the wording of the question said there were equal forces, not (necessarily) equal speeds.

Either the two situations have equal speeds, and the answer is wrong, OR the question author had in mind some reason why the speeds would be different -- but I don't know what that thinking would be.
 

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