Magnitude of the non-coulomb electric field around a solenoid.

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the magnitude of the non-Coulomb electric field around a solenoid, specifically focusing on a metal ring surrounding the solenoid as the magnetic field changes over time. The subject area encompasses electromagnetism and Faraday's law of induction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of induced emf and electric field, with some questioning the correct perspective for applying the emf equation. There is uncertainty about whether to use the solenoid's area or the ring's area for the calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the perspective from which to calculate the emf, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach.

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Participants note a time constraint for completing the problem, which may influence the urgency of responses and the depth of exploration in the discussion.

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Homework Statement



A metal ring of radius r = 24 cm surrounds a
solenoid of radius R = 2 cm and 10000 turns.
The magnetic field inside the solenoid changes from 5 T to 3 T in
0.1 s. Find the magnitude of the non-Coulomb
electric field along the ring.
Answer in units of V/m

Homework Equations



emf = -N*d(flux)/dt = -N*db/dt*A
emf = integral of E*dl

The Attempt at a Solution



Ok, so i pretty much just plugged in numbers. for the emf:

emf = -10000*(3-5)/0.1*pi*0.02^2 = 251.3 volts.

For the electric field:

E = emf/L = 251.3/2*pi*0.24 = 166.7 V/m

Unfortunately, the computer keeps saying I'm wrong. Am I really doing something wrong? This seemed pretty straight forward.
 
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Pepjag said:
Ok, so i pretty much just plugged in numbers. for the emf:

emf = -10000*(3-5)/0.1*pi*0.02^2 = 251.3 volts.

Am I really doing something wrong?

You're looking at the emf induced in the metal ring. How many turns of wire does a metal ring have?
 
Wait, so you have to use the emf equation from the ring's perspective?

emf = (3-5)/0.1*pi*0.24^2 = 3.62 volts.

E = emf/L = 251.3/2*pi*0.24 = 2.40 V/m

Or do I still use the solenoid's area for the emf?
 
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I have until 11:30 ct to finish this one problem, can anyone please give input.
 

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