Make a Magnetic Field Detector to Find Earth's Dip Angle

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The discussion revolves around the design and functionality of a homemade magnetic field detector intended to measure the Earth's dip angle. Participants explore the device's construction, operation, and potential applications, including its response to the Earth's magnetic field.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a magnetic field detector made from a U-shaped transformer core, a coil, LEDs, and an op-amp, which indicates the dip angle by going null when parallel to the Earth's magnetic field.
  • Another participant explains the mechanism, suggesting that the Earth's magnetic field alters the magnetism of the transformer core, leading to a Faraday EMF that drives the LEDs, but notes the need for detailed schematics to fully understand the device.
  • A third participant reiterates the previous explanation and provides a schematic, emphasizing the clever use of induced voltage in the iron core as it moves through different orientations relative to the Earth's magnetic field.
  • One participant suggests that measuring the magnetic field direction and amplitude would require additional effort and detailed drawings to optimize the device's performance.

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Participants generally agree on the basic operation of the device and its clever design, but there is no consensus on the optimal methods for measuring the magnetic field direction and amplitude or the potential for patenting similar devices.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the lack of detailed schematics and the potential variability in the device's response based on its orientation and design specifics.

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I made a magnetic field detector. I used a small U shaped magnet transformer core and wound a coil on the bottom length. This was then mounted on a piece of one inch PVC plastic pipe. One red LED and one green led were then attached to the core. A opamp was used to amplify the signal from the core and drive the LEDs. Two 9 volt batteries were mounted in the pipe and the pipe was mounted in a 2 inch piece of PVC so it could be rotated with a electric motor.

The result was a spinning pipe that pointed north and south. As it can be used at any angle I found that it indicated a null and the LEDs went out when the pipe was parallel to the dip angle of the Earth's magnetic field.

I'm not sure what to do with it. Any ideas?
 

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If I understand the device correctly, the magnetic field from the Earth causes a change in the magnetism of the transformer core, which doesn't stay constant because you are rotating the transformer core. (The magnetic field of the Earth acts on the iron and the iron enhances the magnetic field of the earth, perhaps by a factor of 100 or more.) The result is a Faraday EMF in the loop(s) around the transformer that feeds an op-amp circuit which drives the LED's. It's difficult to follow every detail without detailed schematics, and it is possible you could do something similar with a straight cylindrical type transformer core. It sounds quite clever. I would have to believe that similar devices are likely to have been previously patented.
 
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If I understand the device correctly, the magnetic field from the Earth causes a change in the magnetism of the transformer core, which doesn't stay constant because you are rotating the transformer core. (The magnetic field of the Earth acts on the iron and the iron enhances the magnetic field of the earth, perhaps by a factor of 100 or more.) The result is a Faraday EMF in the loop(s) around the transformer that feeds an op-amp circuit which drives the LED's. It's difficult to follow every detail without detailed schematics, and it is possible you could do something similar with a straight cylindrical type transformer core. It sounds quite clever. I would have to believe that similar devices are likely to have been previously patented.
Here is a schematic.
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That makes sense. (The electronics.) It's clever to use the induced voltage that occurs in the iron as it is moved around in different directions, in that it responds to the Earth's magnetic field. To use something like this to measure magnetic field direction and/or amplitude would take some additional effort. (That's part of what I was referring to in my first reply mentioning diagrams). You might find certain directions in spinning your apparatus generate increased or decreased response, but I would need more detailed drawings (and if you did want to consider marketing this, you might not necessarily want it for public viewing), to try to analyze and optimize the device to give the most info as possible about the magnetic field from the voltage signals of the circuit.
 

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