Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

[russ_watters]

Wouldn't he have been wearing a space suit with a full helmet that would have kept the wind from blowing out his lungs?.

Yes, he was wearing a space suit, which survived the breakup, but I don't know what "the wind blowing out his lungs" means.

I remember that but, they weren't at cruising altitude and speed at that point.

Yes, but unconsiousness/death are not instant when deprived of oxygen.

 

[Dotini]

I find this photo hard to understand.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29548942

Investigators said puncture holes showed small objects had entered the plane from above the cockpit floor

 

[nsaspook]

If those holes came from the missile the actual target intercept angle might be straight on and a little above or at a slightly down angle relative to the aircraft depending on the guidance mode from a down range launch or any anti-countermeasure tactics programmed into the missile guidance system.

http://www.enemyforces.net/missiles/buk.htm

A large aircraft missile intercept.
http://www.military.com/video/guide...e-missile-destroys-b-29-bomber/3235721522001/

 

[nsaspook]

Rebel/Russian produced report.

 

[Borg]

Yes, he was wearing a space suit, which survived the breakup, but I don't know what "the wind blowing out his lungs" means.

Yes, but unconsiousness/death are not instant when deprived of oxygen.

Sorry for the late reply. I meant that the sudden and violent exposure to winds at high speeds would cause breathing issues besides just oxygen deprevation. I doubt that the diaphram could overcome the force of the wind at the speeds that were experienced by the passengers being ejected into 600 mph winds (I understand that they would quickly reach a slower terminal velocity). I was also thinking about how some passengers would be more frail than others such that being thrown from the aircraft would cause them to be knocked unconsious right away.

With respect to the SR-71 pilot, I would expect that without a helmet, any wind entering his lungs at those speeds would have a very good chance of tearing him apart from the inside and ripping holes through his chest.

 

[nsaspook]

http://news.yahoo.com/starts-ukraine-collect-wreckage-mh17-083626955.html

The amateur footage, filmed by a resident of Hrabove, shows people reacting in alarm as wreckage blazes only a few meters away from their homes on the afternoon of July 17. The video is perhaps the first taken immediately after the plane came down.

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-tv-claims-photo-downing-mh17-164455641.html

This fake is so bad it's comical.

 

[StevieTNZ]

Today marks the 1st anniversary of the MH17 disaster.

 

[nsaspook]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11745808/Sickening-footage-of-Russian-backed-rebels-arriving-at-MH17-crash-site-emerges.html

 

[nsaspook]

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-10/13/c_134710565.htm

The DSB led the investigation into the cause of the crash on July 17 last year and made public the long awaited findings during a presentation at Gilze-Rijen Airbase on Tuesday.

"A 9N314M warhead, launched by a Buk surface-to-air missile system, detonated to the left and above the cockpit," DSB Chairman Tjibbe Joustra said. "The forward section of the aircraft was penetrated by hundreds of high-energy objects coming from the warhead. As a result of the impact and the subsequent blast, the three crew members in the cockpit were killed immediately and the airplane broke up in the air. Wreckage was distributed over various sites within an area of 50 square kilometers. All 298 occupants were killed."

"Other potential causes, such as an explosion inside the airplane or an air-to-air missile, have been investigated and excluded," added Joustra when presenting the reports. "No scenario other than a Buk surface-to-air missile can explain this combination of facts."

The reports stated that the missile was launched from a 320-square-km area in the eastern part of Ukraine, but did not mention the exact location of the launch of the Buk rocket, which could have led to answering the question of responsibility.

 

[S.G. Janssens]

StevieTNZ and nsaspook, thank you for keeping this thread alive. I was inclined to "like" your post, but that seemed inappropriate.

I follow the investigations with great interest. It is my hope that those suspected to be responsible will be found, apprehended and brought to an international court. If found guilty, may they receive the harshest of punishments.

The likelihood of direct or indirect Russian involvement cannot be denied. Although I'm an admirer of the accomplishments of Russian science and technology, I do wish to stress this point. Justice should never come second to the games of politics.

 

[mheslep]

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-10/13/c_134710565.htm

Apparently the US government, via the US embassy in Russia, thinks the report finding a missile destroyed the aircraft was a waste of time.

My heart goes out to the victims of MH17. Too much energy spent trying to cast blame.

If somebody threw that spokesman out of plane five miles in the sky, some grieving would be appropriate but not too much energy should be spent on identifying who was to blame.

 

[russ_watters]

Wow. Delivered to the Kremlin's doorstep no less!

 

[nsaspook]

I guess we'll see what other lies they have now that the old ones have failed to work.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/06/01/russia-faked-mh17-images-report.html

 

[russ_watters]

I guess we'll see what other lies they have now that the old ones have failed to work.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/06/01/russia-faked-mh17-images-report.html

At this point, I don't see any need for new lies. Looks to me like it's over.

 

[mheslep]

At this point, I don't see any need for new lies. Looks to me like it's over.

As in the airliner bombing by Libyan agents and other such incidents, the families of the victims will never let this go until Putin is held accountable. I would not.

 

[nsaspook]

The official reports: http://www.safetyboard.nl/

 

[russ_watters]

As in the airliner bombing by Libyan agents and other such incidents, the families of the victims will never let this go until Putin is held accountable. I would not.

But that's just it; yes, the incidents are similar and yes, Russia is a rogue nation similar to Libya, but Putin is not Gaddafi (Russia is not Libya). There is no way Putin would ever hand over anyone responsible or even admit guilt, much less pay reparations (Libya did not pay reparations). He can simply ignore them. The US, on the other hand, paid $61 million in reparations for the Vincennes incident.

 

[S.G. Janssens]

The US, on the other hand, paid $61 million in reparations for the Vincennes incident.

Sorry, but given the sums for which people in the USA are sometimes suing each other, that amount is a mere pittance. (Yes, I agree, it is better than nothing.)

 

[Astronuc]

Russia 'tried to hack MH17 inquiry system'
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/russia-tried-hack-mh17-inquiry-system-143651319.html