Calculate Mass Lost Burning 1 Gallon of Gas

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Burning 1 gallon of gas produces 48 kJ of energy, leading to a discussion about mass loss in the process. The law of conservation of energy indicates that energy changes form rather than being created or destroyed, raising questions about whether mass is lost. Participants debated whether mass is conserved in a closed system, with some suggesting that heat energy conversion could represent mass loss. The calculation involving the conversion of joules to kilograms clarified that the mass equivalent of the heat energy produced is approximately 2.0833 x 10^-5 kg. Ultimately, the discussion highlighted the importance of considering waste products and energy conversion when addressing mass loss in combustion.
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Homework Statement


if you burn 1 gallon of gas and it makes 48kJ. can you calculate the amount of mass lost.


Homework Equations


law of conservation: Energy cannot be created or destroyed it just changes form.


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the way i look at this problem is that there is no loss of mass. the mass is just converted from a liquid to a gas since you cannot destroy energy. but i feel like i shouldn't be looking at it this way and i should be thinking of a way to model it in an equation. the question header is rest energy. and the only equation the book has under rest energy is e=mc^2. and i don't feel like that would apply here since i know all the variables. i don't need to solve for anything. any ideas?

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Lonnie
 
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If there is no mass lost at all, where did the heat energy come from?
 
would the mass converted to heat energy be considered loss of mass?
 
462chevelle said:
would the mass converted to heat energy be considered loss of mass?
If the heat is lost, yes. But if it is burnt within a closed system, so the heat stays there, I do not see why there should be s loss of mass.
 
hmm. so as vague as the question is I bet there are 2 answers. that there is no loss of mass if its a closed system and the amount of mass it would lose if it loses all the heat from the system.
 
so.
initial mass= 2.8kg
final mass = 48kJ=m(3x10^8)^2
final mass-initial mass=mass lost
does this look like the correct way to model this problem?
I think I am still going to answer with 2 answers with a you but,

thanks,
Lonnie
 
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462chevelle said:
so.
initial mass= 2.8kg
final mass = 48kJ=m(3x10^8)^2
final mass-initial mass=mass lost
does this look like the correct way to model this problem?
I think I am steal going to answer with 2 answers with a you but,

thanks,
Lonnie
No, you're ignoring the mass of the waste products. If the heat is lost then the mass lost is the mass equivalent of the heat energy.
 
so I just convert joules to kg and if I have 48000 joules. in kg that is 2.0833 X 10^-5??
 
462chevelle said:
so I just convert joules to kg and if I have 48000 joules. in kg that is 2.0833 X 10^-5??
Yes.
 
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thanks. that makes it a lot more clear. i am clearly overthinking this stuff.
 
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