Can I Solve This Massive Pulley Problem Without Using Energies?

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a pulley system, where the original poster is attempting to derive equations related to the motion of masses connected by the pulley. The focus is on whether energy methods are necessary for solving the problem, particularly in the context of finding the mass of the pulley.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the derivation of equations related to the pulley system, with some questioning the need for the mass of the pulley. There are inquiries about the type of motion involved and whether energy considerations are essential for finding the acceleration and mass of the pulley.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the problem's requirements. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of energy methods, indicating that it may not be necessary to solve for the disk mass. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of missing information, specifically the mass of the pulley, which is affecting the participants' ability to proceed. The original poster also notes fatigue, which may impact their contributions to the discussion.

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ok so i have derived the equation

T2-T1 = .5MPULLEY*atangential
and stopped here because i am missing the mass of the pulley. now since the equation gives a velocity i was thinking to use energy, is this the correct approach?
 

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isukatphysics69 said:
so i have derived the equation
That is very nifty (and probably correcet), but I don't see it if you don't post your working. Especially since you start out from zero relevant equations !
isukatphysics69 said:
stopped here because i am missing the mass of the pulley
Call it ##M_P## and proceed. Perhaps it divides out :rolleyes:
 
isukatphysics69 said:
and stopped here because i am missing the mass of the pulley.
You can just keep working with Mpulley. But you don't even have to do it.

What is the type of motion mass 2 will make? Do you have to consider details of the pulley system to find its acceleration?

Does the problem later ask to calculate the pulley disk mass? Because it is possible with the given information.
 
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mfb said:
You can just keep working with Mpulley. But you don't even have to do it.

What is the type of motion mass 2 will make? Do you have to consider details of the pulley system to find its acceleration?

Does the problem later ask to calculate the pulley disk mass? Because it is possible with the given information.
Yes the problem later ask me to calculate the disk mass, it is 6:30am I was too tired to type out all of the work I am going to sleep right now but I'm curious why they have velocity I was wondering if I need to consider energy on this problem or not
 
You don't have to consider energies. You can use them to find the disk mass, but you can equally do everything without energies.

For the first step (acceleration) energies are not useful.
 
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