Mastering Integration: Solving ∫ -60x3tan(3x4)dx with Integration Rules

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The discussion revolves around the integral ∫ -60x³tan(3x⁴)dx, focusing on integration techniques and the relationship between differentiation and integration. Participants are exploring the nuances of integration rules and their application to verify an original function derived from differentiation.

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  • Participants discuss substitution methods and the steps taken in integration, questioning where errors may have occurred in the process. There is an exploration of the relationship between the original function and its derivative, with specific attention to the constants and properties of logarithms.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and clarifications on the integration process. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct interpretation of logarithmic properties, and there is an acknowledgment of the potential for misunderstanding in the differentiation process.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of integration while being mindful of the foundational rules and properties of logarithms. There is a mention of a missing constant of integration and the importance of absolute values in the context of logarithmic functions.

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Homework Statement



∫ -60x3tan(3x4)dx

Homework Equations



integration rules

The Attempt at a Solution



=> ∫ -60x3tan(3x4)dx

=> u = (3x4)

=> du = 12x3dx

=> (-5)∫ (1/5)-60x3tan(3x4)dx

=> -5 ∫ tan u

=> -5 .-ln cos(u) , where u = (3x4)

=> 5 . ln cos (3x4)

I am using this integral to check an original equation which I differentiated which was:
ln (cos5(3x4) , so where have I gone wrong when integrating, because I'm not getting it back ? ( I have started just learning the basics of integration so be nice :) )
 
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prime-factor said:

Homework Statement



∫ -60x3tan(3x4)dx

Homework Equations



integration rules

The Attempt at a Solution



=> ∫ -60x3tan(3x4)dx

=> u = (3x4)

=> du = 12x3dx

=> (-5)∫ (1/5)-60x3tan(3x4)dx

=> -5 ∫ tan u

=> -5 .-ln cos(u) , where u = (3x4)

=> 5 . ln cos (3x4)

I am using this integral to check an original equation which I differentiated which was:
ln (cos5(3x4) , so where have I gone wrong when integrating, because I'm not getting it back ? ( I have started just learning the basics of integration so be nice :) )
I don't see anything wrong with what you have, short of a missing constant of integration and missing absolute values around cos(u) and a few other minor things.

I suspect that you made an error in your differentation and got the result you did.

Assuming you started with ln (cos5(3x4)),
d/dx[ ln (cos5(3x4)]
= 1/cos5(3x4) * d/dx [cos5(3x4]
= 1/cos5(3x4) * (5)*cos4(3x4) * d/dx( cos(3x4))
= 1/cos5(3x4) * (5)*cos4(3x4) * -sin(3x4) * d/dx (3x4)
= 1/cos5(3x4) * (5)*cos4(3x4) * -sin(3x4) * 12x3)
[tex]= \frac{-60 x^3 sin(3x^4)}{cos(3x^4}[/tex]
= -60x3 tan(3x4)

One minor thing I referred to is your misuse of the "implies" symbol where you should be using "equals." Each of your integration steps involves an expression, not a statement, so from one step to the next you should use "=".

You used ==> correctly in your substitution, namely
u = (3x4)
=> du = 12x3dx​
Here, the first line is an equation, a kind of statement, and the second equation follows from it.
 
Thanks for the thorough response :).

But I am still not sure why I can't get back: 'ln (cos5(3x4)'

I differentiated it as you did and got the same answer, but
I am not getting it back when integrating?
 
When you say "get back" what are you starting with?
 
Okay. Sorry I explained it so badly.

I started with a function which was:

y = ln cos5(3x4)

differentiating this gives: -60x3tan(3x4)

Now why is it that when I integrate '-60x3tan(3x4)' I don't get back the original function which was 'y = ln cos5(3x4)'.
 
You sort of do. ln w5 = 5 ln w.
 
Oh My God... I can't believe I did not see that before!

I forgot that cos5(3x4) = (cos(3x4)5

and hence with the ln in front it is treated like a basic operation.

You are very kind for helping me with this and being so pacient :).

Thanks Again.
 

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