Math for Physics | Learn to Interpret the Physical World

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the mathematical foundations necessary for understanding physics, particularly in the context of cosmology. Participants explore various mathematical topics and resources that could aid in interpreting physical concepts through mathematics.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to learn the math of physics for cosmology and seeks a concise list of relevant math topics.
  • Several participants emphasize the importance of calculus, though one later suggests that advanced topics like differentiable manifolds may be more relevant than traditional calculus.
  • Recommendations for advanced texts include Frankel's "Geometry of Physics," Lee's "Introduction to Smooth Manifolds," and Jost's "Riemannian Geometry and Geometric Analysis," with notes on the necessity of a strong mathematical background to understand these works.
  • Another participant mentions a book titled "Mathematics for Physics and Physicists" by Walter Appel as a resource that summarizes the mathematical tools needed for understanding physical principles.
  • Concerns are raised about the participant's readiness to catch up to Master's level physics students, particularly regarding the need for knowledge in Real/Complex Analysis and Topology.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of calculus and advanced mathematical concepts for understanding physics, but there is no consensus on the specific path or resources that would be most effective for learning.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the potential gap in mathematical background for those with an engineering degree, particularly regarding the need for rigorous study in pure mathematics before tackling advanced physics texts.

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I have a degree in electrical engineering, but of some years ago.
For my own simple enjoyment, I wanted to learn the math of physics - specifically for cosmology. Key to my interest is the interpretation of the math in the physical world. In summary, what is the track in math topics?
 
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Calculus and lots of it.
 
FunkyDwarf said:
Calculus and lots of it.

Haha. That's a rather obvious answer, considering my degree. I'm sure that there is a more concise list. There has to be some one or some book that conveys what the math means in terms of a physical reality.

But considering that there has not been another answer to this, perhaps the question is poor. Explaining why or how its poor would be a help.

For those who at least looked at it - thanks. And to FunkyDwarf, a special thanks for responding.
 
You won't need to use too much calculus (in the usual sense), actually, unless you think of the study of differentiable manifolds as generalization of calculus (in all honesty, it probably is, although I don't think many mathematicians think of it this way). A somewhat advanced introduction to the mathematics of cosmology is in Frankel's Geometry of Physics. The approach is very physics-oriented. If you wanted a more pure mathematics-oriented introduction, I would suggest Lee's Introduction to Smooth Manifolds or Jost's Riemannian Geometry and Geometric Analysis. All texts I mentioned are advanced in the sense that if you don't have a good pure mathematical background, you won't know what's going on, so if you never took such mathematically rigorous classes as Real/Complex Analysis or Topology as an EE major, you would need to go back and independently study these topics before looking into the books I suggested.
 
phreak said:
You won't need to use too much calculus (in the usual sense), actually, unless you think of the study of differentiable manifolds as generalization of calculus (in all honesty, it probably is, although I don't think many mathematicians think of it this way). A somewhat advanced introduction to the mathematics of cosmology is in Frankel's Geometry of Physics. The approach is very physics-oriented. If you wanted a more pure mathematics-oriented introduction, I would suggest Lee's Introduction to Smooth Manifolds or Jost's Riemannian Geometry and Geometric Analysis. All texts I mentioned are advanced in the sense that if you don't have a good pure mathematical background, you won't know what's going on, so if you never took such mathematically rigorous classes as Real/Complex Analysis or Topology as an EE major, you would need to go back and independently study these topics before looking into the books I suggested.

Thanks, that makes sense. My background is in applied math, as befits engineers. But we covered Complex Analysis, but not topology or anything in the greater sense of pure math.
Perhaps I have too far to go to be realistically capable of catching up to most Masters level physics students.
 
Hi LouArnold, I have a book that pretty well sums up what you want to know, it's called mathematics for physics and physicists by Walter Appel. It basically tell you the mathematical tools required to understand physical principles. :D
 

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