Math in the thin lens equation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the thin lens equation and the mathematical relationships between object distance, image distance, and focal length. Participants explore the validity of different forms of the lens equation and the implications of mathematical operations on these equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the equation 1/f = 1/do + 1/di is not equivalent to f = do + di, expressing confusion about the mathematics of reciprocals.
  • Another participant asserts that the correct lens equation is 1/f = 1/v - 1/u, emphasizing the need to take the reciprocal of the entire equation.
  • A different participant agrees with the lens equation stated but highlights that raising to a power does not follow the same rules as multiplication, referencing the distributive law.
  • One participant acknowledges the validity of the lens equation presented by another and notes that their understanding may differ due to regional variations in the lens equation used.
  • Another participant supports the idea that the relationship involves reciprocals and cannot be directly transformed into the equation proposed by the first participant.
  • A participant mentions that differing sign conventions may be the reason for the variations in the lens equation, suggesting a reference to external material for clarification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the forms of the lens equation and the mathematical operations applicable to them. Multiple competing views remain, and the discussion does not reach a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference different sign conventions and regional variations in the lens equation, indicating that assumptions about definitions may vary. There is also mention of the need for clarity regarding mathematical operations applied to the equations.

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Why isn't 1/f=1/do+1/di just the mathematical equivalent to f=do+di? Can't you raise all terms in the equation to the power of negative 1 to get the latter equation? The maths of reciprocals is confusing me lol.
 
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That is not the lens eqn.
The lens equation is :- 1/f = 1/v - 1/u
Where v:- image distance with sign convention
u:- object distance with sign convention
just take reciprocal of whole eqn

## \frac {1}{\frac{1}{f}} = \frac {1}{\frac{1}{v} - \frac{1}{u}} ##

## f = \frac{1}{\frac{(u-v)}{uv}} ##

## f= \frac{uv}{u-v} ##

Clearly it is self explanatory.
 
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Sahil Kukreja said:
That is not the lens eqn.
The lens equation is :- 1/f = 1/v - 1/u

Kuzon has written a perfectly acceptable version of the lens equation, one that is commonly used.

Kuzon: raising to a power does not follow a distributive law as does multiplication. So we have a(b + c) = ab + ac but (b + c)2 ≠ b2 + c2.
 
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pixel said:
Kuzon has written a perfectly acceptable version of the lens equation, one that is commonly used.

Kuzon: raising to a power does not follow a distributive law as does multiplication. So we have a(b + c) = ab + ac but (b + c)2 ≠ b2 + c2.

Sorry, I did not know that version of lens equation; as in our country the lens equation version used is different.
 
I have acquired the same as @Sahil Kukreja . The relation is about their reciprocals, and cannot directly be changed to what @Kuzon wrote.
 
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