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I want to know how can I begin to exercise the representation of a phenomenon in a mathematical model.
The discussion revolves around how to begin representing a physical phenomenon through a mathematical model. Participants explore various aspects of modeling, including the need for physical principles and the importance of data in validating models.
Participants do not reach a consensus on the terminology used or the specific approach to modeling. Multiple viewpoints and questions remain regarding the clarity of the initial inquiry and the strategies for developing mathematical models.
There are limitations in the discussion regarding the specificity of the physical systems being modeled and the clarity of the initial question posed by the participant seeking help.
First of all, you probably need physical principles.EdColider said:I want to know how can I begin to exercise the representation of a phenomenon in a mathematical model.
To exercise a model one way is to feed it data and see if the model behaves the same as the real world.EdColider said:I want to know how can I begin to exercise the representation of a phenomenon in a mathematical model.
which part you did not understand?jbriggs444 said:You could start by giving us a hint. What are you talking about?
Wadda-ya-mean by the term "exercise the representation of a phenomenon in a mathematical model." As an engineering professional who has had 35 years of industrial experience developing and applying mathematical models of physical systems, I have never heard this term before.EdColider said:which part you did not understand?
I think i did not use the right words. I am from Brasil. Sorry for the bad english. What I want to understand is how someone understand physical systems mathematically.Chestermiller said:Wadda-ya-mean by the term "exercise the representation of a phenomenon in a mathematical model." As an engineering professional who has had 35 years of industrial experience developing and applying mathematical models of physical systems, I have never heard this term before.
Thank you very much for clarifying this. Yes, your previous post was a bit aggressive to English-only speakers. It's a classic intellectual retort to say "which word did you not understand". I've used it at times, but never at the PF.EdColider said:I think i did not use the right words. I am from Brasil. Sorry for the bad english. What I want to understand is how someone understand physical systems mathematically.
I don't think it is about using the right or wrong words, I just think you didn't use enough of them. What physical system? What part of it are you wanting to model? For what purpose? For example, today, I modeled the energy use of a fan -- will that be helpful to you...?EdColider said:I think i did not use the right words. I am from Brasil. Sorry for the bad english. What I want to understand is how someone understand physical systems mathematically.
Thank YouChestermiller said:See my post in this thread: https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...roach-think-of-a-problem.712959/#post-4521833 and in this thread: https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...egy-for-solving-problems.788382/#post-4951108
@Chestermiller post in this thread helped me a lot: https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...roach-think-of-a-problem.712959/#post-4521833russ_watters said:I don't think it is about using the right or wrong words, I just think you didn't use enough of them. What physical system? What part of it are you wanting to model? For what purpose? For example, today, I modeled the energy use of a fan -- will that be helpful to you...?
Happy to hear it.EdColider said:@Chestermiller post in this thread helped me a lot: https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...roach-think-of-a-problem.712959/#post-4521833
No, I think @Chestermiller 's approach was good as a broad outline.Do you have a different strategy to develop a mathematical model of a physical system?