Mathematical Probability Question

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The discussion revolves around a probability problem involving n people standing in a circle and determining the probability that there are exactly r people between two randomly chosen individuals, A and B. The context is mathematical probability.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore ways to simplify the problem by fixing one person (A) and considering how many choices for the second person (B) would satisfy the condition of having exactly r people in between. Questions about the proportion of valid choices for B are raised.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the problem with participants providing hints and guidance without revealing complete solutions. Some participants express appreciation for the hints, indicating a productive dialogue.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the range of r (0 to n-2) and discuss the implications of fixing A in terms of counting valid positions for B. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to understand the problem better without arriving at a definitive conclusion.

Legendre
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I spent quite a lot of time trying to figure out this question that I read in a book. Through trial and error, I got a rough idea of what the solution should be like but can't figure out how I would derive it mathematically. Can anyone give me some directions? :)

QUESTION:

n people stand in a circle, where n > 2. we pick two person, A and B, at random. what is the probability that there are exactly r people standing in between A and B, in the clockwise direction?
 
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Hi Legendre! :wink:

Can you think of a way of simplifying the question? :smile:
 
Given a choice of A, how many B's will satisfy the condition?
 
elibj123 said:
Given a choice of A, how many B's will satisfy the condition?

Yup! :biggrin:

(or, rather, what proportion of B's will satisfy the condition?)

So you can simplify the problem by arbitrarily fixing A, which makes the answer … ? :smile:
 
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tiny-tim said:
Yup! :biggrin:

(or, rather, what proportion of B's will satisfy the condition?)

So you can simplify the problem by arbitrarily fixing A, which makes the answer … ? :smile:



Thanks for not outright giving the answer! I find that I learn much more if I were to come out with an answer using hints.

Now let's see...

Fix A. Counting in the clockwise direction, only 1 B satisfies "exactly r people are standing between A and B".

0 <= r <= (n-2). So there are (n-1) possible r.

So the probability is 1/(n-1).
 
(just got up :zzz: …)
Legendre said:
So the probability is 1/(n-1).

:biggrin: Woohoo! :biggrin:
 
tiny-tim said:
(just got up :zzz: …)


:biggrin: Woohoo! :biggrin:



haha thanks!
 

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