Mathematical Procedure for Obtaining Velocity Profile in Laminar Flow

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical procedure for obtaining the velocity profile of laminar flow in a round pipe. Participants explore various approaches to derive the governing equations, focusing on force balances and integration techniques. The conversation includes technical details and mathematical reasoning related to fluid dynamics.

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  • Some participants propose starting from a force balance to derive the initial equation for laminar flow.
  • There is a discussion about the correct formulation of shear stress terms in the force balance, with differing views on how to express these terms.
  • One participant suggests that the second integration was performed incorrectly and provides an alternative expression for the derivative of velocity with respect to radius.
  • Another participant questions the treatment of integration constants and boundary conditions, specifically regarding the non-slip condition at the wall of the pipe.
  • Participants discuss the implications of using different notations for changes in velocity and how constants of integration should be handled in the context of boundary conditions.

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Participants express differing views on the formulation of shear stress terms and the handling of integration constants. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to derive the velocity profile, with multiple competing views present.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings in the application of boundary conditions and the treatment of shear stress terms. The discussion reflects various assumptions and interpretations that may affect the derivation process.

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Hi guys,
i'm trying to find the velocity profile for a laminar flow in a round pipe.
Starting from a force balance, we can obtain the first equation high in the left. I started with a procedure but i think I'm making mistakes.
Can you suggest me the mathematical procedure?
 

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Andrea Vironda said:
Hi guys,
i'm trying to find the velocity profile for a laminar flow in a round pipe.
Starting from a force balance, we can obtain the first equation high in the left. I started with a procedure but i think I'm making mistakes.
Can you suggest me the mathematical procedure?

Shouldn't the force balance look like this:

$$\underbrace{-\mu\frac{du}{dr}}_{\tau}\underbrace{2\pi r}_{P} = \frac{\partial p}{\partial x} \underbrace{\pi r^2}_{A}$$

- no gravity
- no acceleration
- no viscous normal stresses
 
Hi,
i considered a ring-shaped volume element, so $$(2\pi r dr P)_{x}-(2\pi r dr P)_{x+dx}+(2\pi r dr \tau)_{r}-(2\pi r dr \tau)_{r+dr}=0$$ I divided by ##2\pi r dr dx## and took the limit ##dr, dx \to 0##
 
Andrea Vironda said:
Hi,
i considered a ring-shaped volume element, so $$(2\pi r dr P)_{x}-(2\pi r dr P)_{x+dx}+(2\pi r dr \tau)_{r}-(2\pi r dr \tau)_{r+dr}=0$$ I divided by ##2\pi r dr dx## and took the limit ##dr, dx \to 0##

I don't understand your 3rd and 4th term, I would have written them as

$$(2\pi r dx \tau)_{r}-(2\pi r dx \tau)_{r+dr}=0$$

since the shear stresses act on the surface of the sleeve, not on the front and back.
 
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Andrea Vironda said:
Hi guys,
i'm trying to find the velocity profile for a laminar flow in a round pipe.
Starting from a force balance, we can obtain the first equation high in the left. I started with a procedure but i think I'm making mistakes.
Can you suggest me the mathematical procedure?
Your 2nd integration was done incorrectly. First you solve for du/dr:
$$\frac{du}{dr}=\frac{r}{2\mu}\frac{dp}{dx}+\frac{C_1}{r}$$du/dr is zero at r = 0 so ##C_1=0##. So you now have:
$$\frac{du}{dr}=\frac{r}{2\mu}\frac{dp}{dx}$$
What do you get when you integrate that, subject to the boundary condition u = 0 at r = R?
 
stockzahn said:
I don't understand your 3rd and 4th term, I would have written them as

$$(2\pi r dx \tau)_{r}-(2\pi r dx \tau)_{r+dr}=0$$

since the shear stresses act on the surface of the sleeve, not on the front and back.
Yup, you're right

Chestermiller said:
Your 2nd integration was done incorrectly. First you solve for du/dr:
$$\frac{du}{dr}=\frac{r}{2\mu}\frac{dp}{dx}+\frac{C_1}{r}$$du/dr is zero at r = 0 so ##C_1=0##. So you now have:
$$\frac{du}{dr}=\frac{r}{2\mu}\frac{dp}{dx}$$
What do you get when you integrate that, subject to the boundary condition u = 0 at r = R?

I obtain $$\Delta u=\frac{r^2}{2}\frac{1}{2\mu}\frac{dP}{dx}+C_2$$ how can i arrange accourding to boundary conditions? is ##\Delta u=u(R)-u(0)##?
 
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Andrea Vironda said:
Yup, you're right
I obtain $$\Delta u=\frac{r^2}{2}\frac{1}{2\mu}\frac{dP}{dx}+C_2$$ how can i arrange accourding to boundary conditions? is ##\Delta u=u(r)-u(0)##?
When you have a constant of integration, there is no need to write ##\Delta u##. You simply can write u:
$$u=\frac{r^2}{2}\frac{1}{2\mu}\frac{dP}{dx}+C_2$$To determine the constant of integration ##C_2##, you simply make use of the non-slip boundary condition at the wall u(R)=0, where R is the radius of the tube.
 
Chestermiller said:
When you have a constant of integration, there is no need to write ##\Delta u##. You simply can write u
Ok the procedure is clear, but why i shouldn't write as ##\Delta u##?
 
Andrea Vironda said:
Ok the procedure is clear, but why i shouldn't write as ##\Delta u##?
Because you didn't use a ##\Delta r## on the other side of the equation. I guess what you did is OK if you say (as you suggested) that ##\Delta u=u(r)-u(0)##, but then you could have moved u(0) over to the other side of the equation and absorbed it into ##C_2##.
 
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