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The discussion revolves around a homework question related to matrices, specifically focusing on determining the value of a variable (x) in a matrix that is stated to have no inverse. Participants are exploring methods to approach the problem, including cross multiplication and the concept of determinants.

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  • Participants discuss the use of cross multiplication as a method to find the variable x, questioning its appropriateness and underlying reasoning. There are inquiries about the properties of determinants and their relation to matrix invertibility, as well as the understanding of linear dependence.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various participants questioning the initial approach of cross multiplication and seeking deeper understanding of determinants and matrix properties. Some guidance has been offered regarding the significance of determinants in determining matrix invertibility, but no consensus has been reached on the best approach to the problem.

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Participants note the absence of an attachment that presumably contains the matrix in question. There is also mention of differing educational backgrounds, with one participant being in 8th grade while tackling 11th grade honors Algebra 2 material, which may influence their understanding of the concepts discussed.

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1-19-12
I need help. I have a homework question that I have tried to solve.
The matrix in the attachment has no inverse. Explain how you can determine the value of x. Then find x.

I tried cross multiplying.
3*2/3=4x
6/3=4x
2=4x
x=2/4
x=1/2
 
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Nikki16 said:
1-19-12
I need help. I have a homework question that I have tried to solve.
The matrix in the attachment has no inverse. Explain how you can determine the value of x. Then find x.

I tried cross multiplying.
3*2/3=4x
6/3=4x
2=4x
x=2/4
x=1/2

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It say it is attached now.
 

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Nikki16 said:
1-19-12
I need help. I have a homework question that I have tried to solve.
The matrix in the attachment has no inverse. Explain how you can determine the value of x. Then find x.

I tried cross multiplying.
3*2/3=4x
6/3=4x
2=4x
x=2/4
x=1/2

The entry at the upper left is -3, not 3.

Why did you start by cross-multiplying? I'm looking for you to explain why you did what you did.
 


My teacher taught me in some cases involving variables we use cross multiplying. I have a textbook also that says so.
 


Nikki16 said:
My teacher taught me in some cases involving variables we use cross multiplying. I have a textbook also that says so.

Yes, but did your teacher or book also explain why this technique works??
 


No neither did.
 


Do you know about determinants??
 


Yes. The thing is I am in 8th grade doing 11th grade honors Algebra 2.
 
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Nikki16 said:
Yes. The thing is I am in 8th grade doing 11th grade honors Algebra 2.

OK, what do determinants say about a matrix being invertible??
 
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I do not know. I know the determinent is a real number that can be computed from elements by a specific formula.
 
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Just out of curiosity, what is the author and publisher of your book?
 
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do you understand what a matrix does?
what the span of a matrix is?
and if so, do you understand why a matrix would be singular?
it's better to understand what things actually do rather than to remember some rules about them

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I do not know. I know the determinent is a real number that can be computed from elements by a specific formula.

I really dislike this way of teaching the subject (I only know from books, I've never had any formal education in maths), the determinant is an interesting little fellow with sets of properties which can give you information about the matrix when computed.
What you are doing when you do the cross multiplication is using one of these properties of the determinant, specifically one that gives information about the linear dependancy of the vectors in the c-space of the matrix which by extention tells you about it's invertibility.

I'll reffer you to an opencourseware lecture that MIT did;


That whole course is a pretty good introduction to linear algebra in general and Gilbert Strang is quite good at teaching imo.
 
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genericusrnme said:
do you understand what a matrix does?
what the span of a matrix is?
I would guess that the OP isn't this far along in his/her studies of linear algebra.
genericusrnme said:
and if so, do you understand why a matrix would be singular?
it's better to understand what things actually do rather than to remember some rules about them

edit;


I really dislike this way of teaching the subject (I only know from books, I've never had any formal education in maths), the determinant is an interesting little fellow with sets of properties which can give you information about the matrix when computed.
What you are doing when you do the cross multiplication is using one of these properties of the determinant, specifically one that gives information about the linear dependancy of the vectors in the c-space of the matrix which by extention tells you about it's invertibility.
More to the point, a square matrix is invertible (i.e., has an inverse) if and only if its determinant is nonzero. The concepts of vectors and linear dependence of the column space are likely too advanced for this poster, IMO.
genericusrnme said:
I'll reffer you to an opencourseware lecture that MIT did;


That whole course is a pretty good introduction to linear algebra in general and Gilbert Strang is quite good at teaching imo.
 
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