Max Ratio of Particle Mass to Bowl Mass for No Slide

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The problem involves a hemispherical bowl of mass M with a frictionless interior surface and a coefficient of friction of μ = 1 between the bowl and the table. A particle of mass m is released from the top of the bowl, and the question seeks to determine the maximum ratio of m to M such that the bowl does not slide on the table.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of the coefficient of friction being equal to one and question its practicality. There are attempts to analyze the forces acting on both the particle and the bowl, including the use of Newton's second law. Some participants explore the role of tangential and normal components of acceleration.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing insights and questioning assumptions about the problem setup. Some guidance has been offered regarding the forces involved, but there is no explicit consensus on the interpretation of the coefficient of friction or its implications for the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion regarding the coefficient of friction and its implications, with some suggesting it may be a typo. There is also a reference to external resources for clarification.

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A hemispherical bowl of mass M rests on a table. The inside surface of the bowl is frictionless, while the coefficient of friction between the bottom of the bowl and the table is μ = 1. A particle of mass m (and negligible size) is released from rest at the top of the bowl and slides down into it. What is the largest value of m/M for which the bowl will never slide on the table?
 
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And my teacher gives me the hint that the double angle formulas will be helpful, but I have no idea where those would be helpful b/c I would assume the only key moment is when the particle is at the base of the bowl.
 
Wow, u=1? Are you sure that isn't a typo? Kind of a simple problem otherwise. Has to be a typo.
 
Hmm, yes I didn't think u = 1 was very practical but I'm almost positive that it's not a typo, so then how it would it work?
 
Sorry, I've never seen u=1. That means pinned, IMO.
 
What do you mean pinned?

Well here's the link perhaps to clarify, it's #10:

http://isites.harvard.edu/fs/docs/icb.topic90598.files/hmwk3.pdf
 
Tonyt88 said:
A hemispherical bowl of mass M rests on a table. The inside surface of the bowl is frictionless, while the coefficient of friction between the bottom of the bowl and the table is μ = 1. A particle of mass m (and negligible size) is released from rest at the top of the bowl and slides down into it. What is the largest value of m/M for which the bowl will never slide on the table?

Assuming the ball doesn't move, find the acceleration of the particle, which, since the speed of the particle is changing, is not strictly centripetal. There are two forces acting the particle - gravity and the contact force of the bowl on the particle. Use Newton's second law to find the contact force.

There are four forces acting on the bowl - gravity, static friction, the contact forcle of the particle on the bowl, and the contact force of the table on the bowl.

berkeman said:
Sorry, I've never seen u=1. That means pinned, IMO.

No, it just means that in order to start the object sliding, the applied force must be greater than the normal force. For example, the coefficient of friction between the tires on drag racers and the track often is greater than one.
 
I'm sorry, I'm still quite puzzled, is there anything else you can tell me about the problem that might aid me.
 
What are the tangential and normal components of the particle's acceleration?
 
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tangential acc = d|v|/dt

normal acc = v^2/r = 2gh/r = Normal force of the bowl onto the ball ?
 
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Tonyt88 said:
tangential acc = d|v|/dt

normal acc = v^2/r = 2gh/r = Normal force of the bowl onto the ball ?

Yes.

Now, write the x and y component equations of F = ma. I would introduce an angle [itex]\theta[/itex] that is measured from horizontal, so, initially, [itex]\theta = 0[/itex] for the particle.
 

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