Maximal volume of cup for a given area of material

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The discussion revolves around optimizing the volume of a cylindrical cup made from a fixed area of paper, specifically 22 in². Participants explore the relationships between the dimensions of the cylinder (radius and height) and the equations governing volume and surface area.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to begin the problem regarding the cylindrical cup.
  • Another participant provides the equations for the volume and surface area of an open cylinder, asking for clarification on these equations.
  • There is a discussion about the correct formulation of the surface area equation, with one participant suggesting the area should be expressed as A = πr² + 2πrh, while another participant initially proposed A = 2(πr²) + 2(πrh).
  • Participants discuss the relationship between the surface area and volume, with one suggesting that using the surface area to eliminate a variable could simplify the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the correct formulation of the surface area equation or the approach to maximizing the volume, indicating multiple competing views and some uncertainty in the initial setup of the problem.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of the variables and the specific constraints of the problem, particularly in how the surface area is calculated and its relationship to the volume.

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Perfect Paper Cup Company (PPCC) wants to make a cylindrical cup (with
open top, of course, so people can drink out of it). The cup is to be made from
exactly 22 in2 of paper—not counting any paper wasted in cutting out the circular
bottom, in attaching the bottom to the cylindrical piece, or in fastening
together the ends of the rectangle that’s rolled up to make the cylindrical
piece.

I don't know hwere to beginnnnn
 
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Given an open cyclinder of radius R and height H, what are the equations of the volume and surface area?
 
hmmm did i start this correctly??

A = 2(pi)r^2 + 2(pi)rh

(pi)r^2h = 22

h = 22/(pi)r^2 because h is what we want to maximize??
 
I'm going to play devil's advocate. What is A?

You didn't actually say what the question asked you to maximize. One presumes it is the volume normally.
 
helpm3pl3ase said:
hmmm did i start this correctly??

A = 2(pi)r^2 + 2(pi)rh

(pi)r^2h = 22

If the cup is a cylinder with an open end then shouldn't this be [itex]A = \pi r^2 + 2 \pi r h[/itex], so that [itex]\pi r^2 + 2 \pi r h = 22[/itex]? The volume is [itex]V = \pi r^{2} h[/itex].

The problem might become easier if you use the expression for the surface area to eliminate either r or h from the equation for the volume.
 

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