Solve Derivative Problem: Find Max Volume of Cylinder w/100in2 Surface Area

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The problem involves maximizing the volume of a cylindrical can with a fixed total surface area of 100 square inches. Participants are discussing the relationship between the dimensions of the cylinder, specifically the height and radius, and how to derive these dimensions mathematically.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants describe attempts to express height in terms of radius and derive the volume function. There is a focus on taking derivatives to find critical points. Questions arise regarding whether a general solution can be reached and the implications of the specific answers obtained.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided detailed calculations and reasoning, while others are questioning the necessity of arriving at a general solution versus specific values. There is a recognition of the relationship H = 2R as a significant finding, but no consensus on the best approach to reach this conclusion.

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Participants mention constraints related to the surface area and the need for a general solution applicable to varying surface areas. There is also a note about the challenges of posting lengthy responses due to session timeouts.

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Homework Statement



A company wants to build a cylindrical can with a total surface area of 100 square inches, which includes the bottom and top of the can. Find the dimensions that maximize the volume.

Homework Equations



volume of a cylinder = 2*pi*r^2*h
surface area of cylinder = 2*pi*r^2 + 2*pi*r*h

The Attempt at a Solution



I wrote a huge wall of text detailing how I solved the problem, but when I went to post I had gotten logged out due to how much time I spent on the post. So I'm going to make this short and just explicate my process:

I took the formula for constant surface area 100 inches squared and solved for the height in terms of the radius. Then, I plugged that equation (h in terms of r) into the volume and took the derivative of the volume with respect to the radius.

I set the derivative equal to zero to find the radius that gives the max volume, and I got
r = sqrt(50/(pi*3))

Then I plugged r back into the equation for h in terms of r, and simplifying, I got:
h = sqrt(150/pi) - sqrt(50/(3*pi))

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The answer sheet I have says that I should have gotten H = 2R. Indeed my answer reflects this, but should I have arrived at a general solution H = 2R instead of the exact answers I got? How would I go about solving this generally?

Was my approach fine? Could someone maybe solve it for me in an alternate manner? I would really appreciate iany advice. Thank you.
 
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notastring said:

Homework Statement



A company wants to build a cylindrical can with a total surface area of 100 square inches, which includes the bottom and top of the can. Find the dimensions that maximize the volume.

Homework Equations



volume of a cylinder = 2*pi*r^2*h
surface area of cylinder = 2*pi*r^2 + 2*pi*r*h


The Attempt at a Solution



I wrote a huge wall of text detailing how I solved the problem, but when I went to post I had gotten logged out due to how much time I spent on the post.
There a setting that stops you from being logged out like that ... though I used to write out my posts on a text editor and copy-and-paste it over ;)
So I'm going to make this short and just explicate my process:

I took the formula for constant surface area 100 inches squared and solved for the height in terms of the radius. Then, I plugged that equation (h in terms of r) into the volume and took the derivative of the volume with respect to the radius.

I set the derivative equal to zero to find the radius that gives the max volume, and I got
r = sqrt(50/(pi*3))

Then I plugged r back into the equation for h in terms of r, and simplifying, I got:
h = sqrt(150/pi) - sqrt(50/(3*pi))

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The answer sheet I have says that I should have gotten H = 2R. Indeed my answer reflects this, but should I have arrived at a general solution H = 2R instead of the exact answers I got? How would I go about solving this generally?
The question asks for the specific solution - the general relation would maximize the volume for any given surface area.
 
If surface area S= 2\pi R H+ 2\pi R^2 and you want to maximize the volume V= \pi R^2H then \nabla V= 2\pi RH\vec{i}+ \pi R^2\vec{j} must be a multiple of \nabla S= (2\pi H+ 4\pi R)\vec{i}+ 2\pi R\vec{j}. That means we must have 2\pi RH= \lambda(2\pi H+ 4\pi R) and \pi R^2= 2\lambda\pi R for some constant \lambda. We can eliminate \lambda by dividing the first equation by the second:
\frac{2\pi RH}{\pi R^2}= \frac{2\pi H+ 4\pi R}{2\pi R}
\frac{2H}{R}= \frac{H+ 2R}{R}
2H= H+ 2R
H= 2R
 
Hey thanks!
 

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