Maximizing Acceleration and Braking Distance for a Cyclist on a Horizontal Road

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The problem involves a cyclist with a mass of 75 kg riding on a horizontal road, where the distribution of normal contact force between the front and back wheels is 40% and 60%, respectively. The coefficient of friction is given as 0.8. The cyclist is tasked with determining the maximum achievable acceleration and the stopping distance when applying brakes from a speed of 6 m/s.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the role of friction forces from both wheels during acceleration and braking. There is a focus on whether the front wheel contributes to forward motion and how to calculate the friction forces involved. Questions arise regarding the application of motion formulas and the constancy of acceleration during braking.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the forces at play. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of conservation of energy and the distinction between the roles of the front and back wheels during different phases of motion. However, there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach to the problem.

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Participants are navigating assumptions about the effects of rolling friction and the nature of forces during acceleration and braking. There is also mention of homework rules that may limit the types of assistance provided.

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Homework Statement



A cyclist and her bicycle have mass 75kg. she is riding on a horizontal road, and positions herself so that 60% of the normal contact force is on the back wheel and 40% on the front wheel. The coefficient of friction between the tires and the road is 0.8. What is the greatest acceleration she can hope to achieve?
Whilst riding at 6ms^(-1), she applies both brakes to stop the wheels rotating. In what distance will she come to a stop?

Homework Equations



Newtons second law

The Attempt at a Solution



I think the friction force of the back wheel will be the forward force of the bicycle so

0.48R=75a ,i don't consider the frictional force of the front wheel ?

I have no idea for the next.
 
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thereddevils said:
In what distance will she come to a stop?

You can calculate friction force of both wheel. Friction force have to do work on distance to stop. Conservation of energy is the easiest way to solve this problem.

regards
 


Bartek said:
You can calculate friction force of both wheel. Friction force have to do work on distance to stop. Conservation of energy is the easiest way to solve this problem.

regards

thanks but isn't the friction force provide the forward force for the bicycle?

and also is part 1 correct?
 


thereddevils said:
thanks but isn't the friction force provide the forward force for the bicycle?
Yes, but only friction from back wheel (which is driven) provide forward force. During braking both wheels "produce" force.

I don't clearly understand what you mean by "0.48R=75a"?

regards
 


Bartek said:
Yes, but only friction from back wheel (which is driven) provide forward force. During braking both wheels "produce" force.

I don't clearly understand what you mean by "0.48R=75a"?

regards

For (1), the friction of back wheel, (0.8)(0.6R) provides the forward force, ma.

Therefore , (0.8)(0.6R)=ma ,also do i consider the friction of the front wheel here?

ie 0.48R-0.32R=ma ?
 


thereddevils said:
Therefore , (0.8)(0.6R)=ma ,also do i consider the friction of the front wheel here?

ie 0.48R-0.32R=ma ?
No. When bicycle accelerated, front wheel did not produce friction. Only back wheel is driven by a cyclist.

So, in (1) you have 0.8*0.6*m*g=m*a where g is 9.81m/s^2.

BTW... I think, she can hope to achieve that acceleration, but she does not have enough power.

regards
Bartek
 


Bartek said:
No. When bicycle accelerated, front wheel did not produce friction. Only back wheel is driven by a cyclist.

So, in (1) you have 0.8*0.6*m*g=m*a where g is 9.81m/s^2.

BTW... I think, she can hope to achieve that acceleration, but she does not have enough power.

regards
Bartek

Thanks Bartek,

For (1) ,isn't that the front tyre is in contact with the ground,so when it rubs against the ground ,fricton is produced?

For(2), can i just use the motion formulas ,v=u+at

I don think so because the acceleration is not constant in this case?

(2)
 


thereddevils said:
For (1) ,isn't that the front tyre is in contact with the ground,so when it rubs against the ground ,fricton is produced?

For(2), can i just use the motion formulas ,v=u+at

I don think so because the acceleration is not constant in this case?
When the bike start and accelerates friction force is propelled force. So, only force from back wheel works in this case - because only back wheel is driven by a biker. Front wheel theoretically resist against movement, but it is rolling friction - you can omit it (such as an air resistance etc.).

When bicycle is braking both wheels are stationary and rub on the road. Both of them produce friction which slow bicycle. You should use the formula for distance in uniformly delayed movement. Or you can use conservation energy law.

Why do you think that acceleration is not constans?
 


Can you be of any help, I need a simple (if that is possible) equation to help me determine the weight increase of a 12 stone occupant of a car doing 30mph coming to a dead stop?
 
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Simo43 said:
Can you be of any help, I need a simple (if that is possible) equation to help me determine the weight increase of a 12 stone occupant of a car doing 30mph coming to a dead stop?
According https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=5374" you have to start new thread, and show that you have attempted to answer your question in order to receive help...

Try this :-)

regards
 
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Bartek said:
When the bike start and accelerates friction force is propelled force. So, only force from back wheel works in this case - because only back wheel is driven by a biker. Front wheel theoretically resist against movement, but it is rolling friction - you can omit it (such as an air resistance etc.).

When bicycle is braking both wheels are stationary and rub on the road. Both of them produce friction which slow bicycle. You should use the formula for distance in uniformly delayed movement. Or you can use conservation energy law.

Why do you think that acceleration is not constans?

thanks for your help!
 

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