Maximum flow rates through water turbines given power and head.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the maximum flow rates through Francis and Samson water turbines based on specified power outputs and head conditions. It includes aspects of homework problem-solving and the application of relevant equations.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • The initial poster questions whether turbine efficiency should be expressed as a percentage or a fraction in the flow rate calculation.
  • The poster provides calculations for flow rates at full and half power for the Francis turbine, using given values for water density and gravitational acceleration.
  • Some participants affirm the poster's method and arithmetic, suggesting that the calculations appear correct.
  • One participant suggests considering whether the radius of the wheel should be added to the head in the calculations.
  • The initial poster acknowledges the suggestion but expresses confidence that it is unnecessary based on textbook context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no clear consensus on whether the radius of the wheel should be added to the head, as the initial poster believes it is not needed while others suggest it should be considered.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve whether the efficiency should be used as a percentage or fraction, nor does it clarify the implications of including the wheel radius in the head measurement.

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Homework Statement



Calculate the maximum flow rates through the Francis and the Samson turbines under the conditions specified:

Table 1 Characteristics of some American water turbines, 1849–97, on the basis of 30-inch (760 mm) wheel and 12-inch (300 mm) head
Type | Maximum power output | Efficiency (%)
Francis | 0.15 kW / 0.20 horsepower| 79.7 at full power / 55.0 at half power
‘Samson’ | 1.38 kW / 1.85 horsepower | 82.0 at full power / 75.6 at half power

Homework Equations



Power = turbine efficiency * density of water * acceleration due to gravity * head * flow rate

so

Flow rate = Power / (turbine efficiency * density of water * acceleration due to gravity * head)

The Attempt at a Solution



Does anyone know if the efficiency in this equation should be given as a percentage or fraction? i.e. 79.7% or 0.797

Francis example...

Density of water = 1000kg/m^3
Acc due to gravity = 9.81 m/s^2

At full power:
Flow rate = 150/(0.797*1000*9.81*0.3)=0.064m^3/s

At half power:
Flow rate= (150/2)/(0.55*1000*9.81*0.3)=0.046m^3/s

However I have a feeling I'm missing a step. I'd be grateful for anyone who could take a look. :) Thanks.
 
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I think your method and arithmetic is OK.

Check if you should add the radius of the wheel to the head.
 
looks ok to me
 
edgepflow said:
I think your method and arithmetic is OK.

Check if you should add the radius of the wheel to the head.

Ah that's a good suggestion. Looking at the context and previous questions of the textbook though I don't think I need to. Thanks. :)
 

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