Isentropic Efficiency and Entropy Production Rate of Turbine

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of isentropic efficiency and the entropy production rate of a turbine operating with water vapor. Participants explore the application of thermodynamic principles and steam tables to solve a homework problem involving a turbine expanding water vapor from high pressure to low pressure.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the problem and identifies the need to find the exit enthalpy value (h2s) under constant entropy conditions.
  • Another participant confirms that h2s refers to the exit enthalpy at constant entropy and suggests using steam tables to find the corresponding enthalpy at the specified pressure and entropy.
  • A later reply mentions that the enthalpy value found under constant entropy is approximately 2217.17 kJ/kg and suggests that the isentropic turbine efficiency calculated is around 91.1%.
  • Participants discuss the need for interpolation in steam tables to find the correct enthalpy values.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions and methods for finding the enthalpy and efficiency, but there is no explicit consensus on the final values or the correctness of the calculations presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion relies on the use of steam tables and the assumption of constant entropy for the calculations. There may be limitations related to the accuracy of the steam table data and the interpolation process, which are not fully resolved.

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Students and professionals interested in thermodynamics, particularly those studying turbine efficiency and entropy production in engineering applications.

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Homework Statement


Water vapor at 6 MPa, 600C enters a turbine operating at steady state and expands to 10 kPa. The mass flow rate is 2 kg/s, and the power developed is 2626 kW. Stray heat transfer and kinetic and potential energy effects are negligible. Determine (a) the isentropic turbine efficiency and (b) the rate of entropy production within the turbine, in kW/K.

Homework Equations


dmcv / dt = ∑ mi - ∑ me
dEcv / dt = Qcv - Wcv + ∑ mi (hi + Vi2/2 + gzi) - ∑ me (he + Ve2/2 + gze)
dScv / dt = ∑ Qj / Tj + ∑ misi - ∑ mese + σcv

The Attempt at a Solution


From the problem statement, I know that entry mass flow rate and exit mass flow rate are the same, because it is steady-state. I also know that, because of the steady-state operation, the energy balance equation simplifies to:
Wcv = m(h1 - h2)

Using the steam tables, I found the enthalpy and entropy values at state 1 to be 3658.4 kJ/kg and 7.1677 kJ/kg⋅K, respectively. I can use this enthalpy value, along with the given mass flow rate and work output values to find h2, but what I need to find is h2s. Once I find that, I feel like I can crack this problem wide open, but I'm having issues on how to do just that. Since the working fluid isn't an ideal gas, I can't use the relative pressure and volume relations, so I haven't the slightest clue on how to find h2s. If anyone can steer me in the right direction, that would be really appreciated.
 
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AGiantGolden49er said:

Homework Statement


Water vapor at 6 MPa, 600C enters a turbine operating at steady state and expands to 10 kPa. The mass flow rate is 2 kg/s, and the power developed is 2626 kW. Stray heat transfer and kinetic and potential energy effects are negligible. Determine (a) the isentropic turbine efficiency and (b) the rate of entropy production within the turbine, in kW/K.

Homework Equations


dmcv / dt = ∑ mi - ∑ me
dEcv / dt = Qcv - Wcv + ∑ mi (hi + Vi2/2 + gzi) - ∑ me (he + Ve2/2 + gze)
dScv / dt = ∑ Qj / Tj + ∑ misi - ∑ mese + σcv

The Attempt at a Solution


From the problem statement, I know that entry mass flow rate and exit mass flow rate are the same, because it is steady-state. I also know that, because of the steady-state operation, the energy balance equation simplifies to:
Wcv = m(h1 - h2)

Using the steam tables, I found the enthalpy and entropy values at state 1 to be 3658.4 kJ/kg and 7.1677 kJ/kg⋅K, respectively. I can use this enthalpy value, along with the given mass flow rate and work output values to find h2, but what I need to find is h2s. Once I find that, I feel like I can crack this problem wide open, but I'm having issues on how to do just that. Since the working fluid isn't an ideal gas, I can't use the relative pressure and volume relations, so I haven't the slightest clue on how to find h2s. If anyone can steer me in the right direction, that would be really appreciated.
##h_2s##?? That's the exit enthalpy value assuming constant entropy?
 
Chestermiller said:
##h_2s##?? That's the exit enthalpy value assuming constant entropy?
Yes, the way our professor taught us, all the exit values under constant entropy are marked with subscript s.
 
AGiantGolden49er said:
Yes, the way our professor taught us, all the exit values under constant entropy are marked with subscript s.
Then what you do is look up in your steam tables the state where the pressure is 10 kPa and the entropy is 7.1677. You might need to interpolate. You need to find the enthalpy for this state.
 
Chestermiller said:
Then what you do is look up in your steam tables the state where the pressure is 10 kPa and the entropy is 7.1677. You might need to interpolate. You need to find the enthalpy for this state.
So I think I found the enthalpy value, assuming constant entropy, which worked out to be around 2217.17 kJ/kg. I had to find quality under constant entropy first in order to do so. Consequently, I also found the isentropic turbine efficiency to be around 91.1%. Does this sound like I'm on track?
 
AGiantGolden49er said:
So I think I found the enthalpy value, assuming constant entropy, which worked out to be around 2217.17 kJ/kg. I had to find quality under constant entropy first in order to do so. Consequently, I also found the isentropic turbine efficiency to be around 91.1%. Does this sound like I'm on track?
Yes
 

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