Maxwell's tensorial equations.

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the conservation law for the energy-momentum tensor in the context of electromagnetism, specifically focusing on the expression \(\partial_{\mu} T^{\mu \nu}=0\) for the tensor \(T^{\mu\nu}\) defined in terms of the electromagnetic field tensor \(F^{\mu\nu}\). Participants explore the application of Maxwell's equations to simplify and manipulate the expression, discussing various mathematical techniques and properties of the tensors involved.

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  • One participant presents the expression for \(\partial_{\mu} T^{\mu \nu}\) and seeks simplification using Maxwell's equations.
  • Another participant suggests using the Maxwell equations in terms of \(F\) to eliminate terms and highlights the antisymmetry of \(F\) to aid in simplification.
  • A later reply discusses expressing \(F^{\mu \rho}_{,\mu}\) in terms of the 4-potential, indicating that this could lead to a simplification involving the product of symmetric and antisymmetric components.
  • Further contributions involve detailed algebraic manipulations, including swapping dummy indices and using properties of the metric and the antisymmetry of \(F\) to derive new forms of the expression.
  • Participants explore the implications of the compatibility condition and how it relates to the manipulation of indices and terms in the equations.
  • There is a discussion about the potential to conclude the derivation by recognizing certain terms vanish due to the properties of the tensors involved.

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Participants generally agree on the approach of using Maxwell's equations and the properties of the tensors to simplify the expression. However, the discussion remains exploratory, with no consensus on the final steps or the exact manipulations required to complete the derivation.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding specific algebraic steps and the implications of the compatibility condition. The discussion includes various assumptions about the properties of the tensors and the context of the equations being manipulated.

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I wanto show that:
[tex]\partial_{\mu} T^{\mu \nu}=0[/tex] for
[tex]T^{\mu\nu} = F^{\mu \rho}\eta_{\rho\sigma}F^{\sigma \nu}+\frac{1}{4}\eta^{\mu\nu}F_{\rho\sigma}F^{\rho\sigma})[/tex]
by using Maxwell's equations.
Here are my steps (it's not for HW, I am auditing this course):
[tex]\partial_{\mu} T^{\mu \nu} = F^{\mu \rho}_{,\mu} \eta_{\rho \sigma} F^{\sigma \nu} + F^{\mu \rho} \eta_{\rho \sigma} F^{\sigma \nu}_{,\mu} + \frac{1}{4} \eta^{\mu \nu} (F_{\rho \sigma , \mu} F^{\rho \sigma}+F_{\rho \sigma} F^{\rho \sigma}_{,\mu})[/tex]

I can't see the forrest from the trees, can someone hint me how to simplify this?

Thanks.
 
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You need to use the Maxwell equations written in terms of F, i.e. [tex]\nabla_a F^{ab} =0[/tex] (kills your first term for e.g.) and [tex]\nabla_{[a}F_{bc]}=0[/tex]

and remember that F is antisymmetric itself, which simplifies the second equation somewhat to [tex]\partial_a F_{bc}+\partial_b F_{ca}+\partial_c F_{ab} =0[/tex]. You also have met compatibility and can relabel dummies and use the symmetry and antisymmetry of F, this should do the trick.

I think you will find you need to factor out an F after this, and then massage the rest into a form where you can use the second Maxwell relation by using symmetries and relabelling dummies, and then by the second equation you will get identically zero.
 
So I get now:
[tex]F^{\mu \rho}_{,\mu} \eta_{\rho \sigma} F^{\sigma \nu} + F^{\mu \rho} \eta_{\rho \sigma} F^{\sigma \nu}_{,\mu} + \frac{1}{4} \eta^{\mu \nu} (F_{\rho \sigma , \mu} F^{\rho \sigma}+F_{\rho \sigma} F^{\rho \sigma}_{,\mu})=<br /> F^{\mu}_{\sigma , \mu} F^{\sigma \nu} + F^{\mu \rho}F^{\nu}_{\rho , \mu} -\frac{1}{4}[ F_{\rho \sigma , \nu} F^{\rho \sigma} +F_{\rho \sigma}F^{\rho \sigma}_{,\nu}][/tex]

How to procceed here? what is the compatibiliy condition here?

Thanks.
 
Have you thought about working out [tex]F^{\mu\rho}_{,\mu}[/tex] in terms of the 4-potential. You'll get two terms and there will be one free index and two dummy ones. You can swap the dummy indices but when you do that for F you'll pick up a minus sign and the terms will add giving you one term. Then you can argue its zero because its the product of an antisymmetric part and a symmetric part.

I tend to have to write things out because I'm still new to this stuff and so I can't do it all just using F yet. Just a thought.
 
I'm not sure exactly what you've done here. Starting with (where I used Maxwell 1 to rid the first term): [tex] \eta_{cd}F^{ac} \ F^{bd}_{,a} - \frac{1}{4} \eta^{ab} (F_{cd , a} F^{cd}+F_{cd} F^{cd}_{,a})[/tex]

[tex] \eta_{cd}F^{ac} \ F^{bd}_{,a} - \frac{1}{2} \eta^{ab} F^{cd} F_{cd , a}[/tex]

antisym of F:

[tex] \eta_{cd}F^{ac} \ F^{bd}_{,a} + \frac{1}{2} \eta^{ab} F^{dc} F_{cd , a}[/tex]

swap dummies a<->d on second term:

[tex] \eta_{cd}F^{ac} \ F^{bd}_{,a} + \frac{1}{2} \eta^{db} F^{ac} F_{ca , d}[/tex]

now pull out the factor of F, and I use metric sym:

[tex] F^{ac}\left[\eta_{cd} F^{bd}_{,a} + \frac{1}{2} \eta^{bd}F_{ca , d}\right][/tex]

Because your in flat space the metric is constant so can be brought inside the partial derivs to raise/lower indices at will (in a curved space where your commas go to semicolons one would use metric compatability [tex]g_{ab;c}=0[/tex] at this stage):

[tex] F^{ac}\left[\eta_{cd}\eta^{be}\eta^{df} F_{ef,a} + \frac{1}{2} \eta^{bd}F_{ca , d}\right][/tex]

Now use [tex]\eta_{cd}\eta^{df}=\delta^{f}_{c}[/tex]

[tex] F^{ac}\left[\eta^{be} F_{ec,a} + \frac{1}{2} \eta^{bd}F_{ca , d}\right][/tex]

Relabel the dummie e <->d in first term, then pull out a factor of the metric too:

[tex] F^{ac}\eta^{bd}\left[ F_{dc,a} + \frac{1}{2} F_{ca , d}\right][/tex]

Now this can be written as:

[tex] F^{ac}\eta^{bd}\left[\frac{1}{2} F_{dc,a} +\frac{1}{2} F_{dc,a}+ \frac{1}{2} F_{ca , d}\right][/tex]

All you have to do now is use the antisymmetry on F and symmetry on the metric, and relabel a few indices to manipulate the above in a form where the indices are correct to use Maxwell 2 : [tex] \partial_a F_{bc}+\partial_b F_{ca}+\partial_c F_{ab} =0[/tex] which will then be identically zero. (Note indices must end up cyclic)
 
THanks.

As for the last eq.
[tex]F^{ac}\eta^{bd}\left[\frac{1}{2} F_{dc,a} +\frac{1}{2} F_{dc,a}+ \frac{1}{2} F_{ca , d}\right][/tex]
if I plug:
[tex]F_{dc,a}= F_{ad,c}[/tex]
then I am done right?
 
So the first term is:

[tex]F^{ac}\eta^{bd} F_{dc,a}[/tex]

antisym of F:[tex]-F^{ac}\eta^{bd} F_{cd,a}[/tex]

now swap a<->c dummies:

[tex]-F^{ca}\eta^{bd} F_{ad,c}[/tex]

antisym on first F:[tex]F^{ac}\eta^{bd} F_{ad,c}[/tex]

so yep, you can do that (and the factor outside remains the same), so now it vanishes via second Maxwell.
 
Thanks again.

Algebriac trickery... :-)
 

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