Meaning of the rate in the Rate Law

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the term "rate" in the context of the rate law in chemical kinetics. Participants explore the meaning of the instantaneous rate derived from the rate law, particularly in relation to a specific reaction involving reactants A and B and products C and D. The conversation includes questions about the implications of the rate equation and the relationship between reaction order and half-lives of reactants.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on whether the instantaneous rate refers to the rate of disappearance of reactants A and B or the rate of appearance of products C and D.
  • Another participant explains that the reaction rate is defined by the rates of disappearance of reactants and appearance of products, providing a mathematical expression for the rate based on stoichiometric coefficients.
  • There is a discussion about how the calculated rate represents the initial rate of the reaction, noting that the rate will change over time as reactant concentrations decrease.
  • A participant questions the relationship between the rate equation (rate = k[A][B]) and the concept of half-lives, suggesting that while the reaction is first-order with respect to A and B, their half-lives are not constant.
  • Another participant clarifies that the half-life of A depends on the initial concentrations of both A and B, and under certain conditions, the reaction can behave like a first-order reaction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the rate law and the nature of half-lives in relation to reaction order. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of the instantaneous rate and the relationship between concentration changes and half-lives.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the understanding of the instantaneous rate may depend on familiarity with calculus and differential equations, indicating potential limitations in the discussion's accessibility.

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Hi all, I don't fully grasp definition of the rate as stated in the rate law. I do hope you guys could enlighten me! Here is what I don't understand:

What does the rate in the rate law refer to? So let's say 3A + 2B -> 4C + D. Does the instantaneous rate derived from the rate law, given that I already have the rate equation and the instantaneous [A] and , refer to the rate of disappearance of A or B, or the rate of appearance of C or D.

What I'm confused about is how the word rate as used in the rate law is simply referred to as the "instaneous rate of reaction". So if i get a figure from inputting all the data into the rate equation, what does this figure actually represent?
 
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In addition to my above question, I was wondering if the rate equation was as such:

rate=k[A]

This means its a general second order reaction overall. How since its first order with respect to A and B, does it mean both A and B have constant half lifes each?

Thanks!
 
Tim0 said:
Hi all, I don't fully grasp definition of the rate as stated in the rate law. I do hope you guys could enlighten me! Here is what I don't understand:

What does the rate in the rate law refer to? So let's say 3A + 2B -> 4C + D. Does the instantaneous rate derived from the rate law, given that I already have the rate equation and the instantaneous [A] and , refer to the rate of disappearance of A or B, or the rate of appearance of C or D.

What I'm confused about is how the word rate as used in the rate law is simply referred to as the "instaneous rate of reaction". So if i get a figure from inputting all the data into the rate equation, what does this figure actually represent?


It is the rate of the reaction what your wrote. Therefore it is the rate of disappearance of A and B and of appearance of C and D.
 
Tim0 said:
What does the rate in the rate law refer to? So let's say 3A + 2B -> 4C + D. Does the instantaneous rate derived from the rate law, given that I already have the rate equation and the instantaneous [A] and , refer to the rate of disappearance of A or B, or the rate of appearance of C or D.


By convention the reaction rate is defined as the rate of disappearance of reactants or the rate of appearance of products divided by their stoichiometric coefficients. So, in your example, the rate would be given by:
\text{rate} = \frac{-1}{3} \frac{d[A]}{dt} = \frac{-1}{2} \frac{d<b>}{dt} = \frac{1}{4} \frac{d[C]}{dt} = \frac{d[D]}{dt} </b>
Note that all four expressions for the rate are equivalent. In other words, the rate of appearance of C is four times greater than the rate of appearance of D, the rate of disappearance of B is half the rate of appearance of C, etc. (Please let me know if you are not familiar with calculus and differential equations, otherwise this explanation might not make sense to you yet).

What I'm confused about is how the word rate as used in the rate law is simply referred to as the "instaneous rate of reaction". So if i get a figure from inputting all the data into the rate equation, what does this figure actually represent?

This represents the initial rate at which your reaction will proceed. The reaction, however, will not always go at the rate you calculate. As the reaction goes on, the concentration of reactants decreases, decreasing the rate of the reaction over time. This is why we refer to the rate as the "instantaneous rate."

Tim0 said:
In addition to my above question, I was wondering if the rate equation was as such:

rate=k[A]

This means its a general second order reaction overall. How since its first order with respect to A and B, does it mean both A and B have constant half lifes each?


No. Although the reaction is first-order with respect to A and first order with respect to B, A and B will not have constant half-lives. The half-life of A will depend on the initial concentrations of A and B, and the same goes for the half-life of B.

You can, however, have certain reaction conditions where this reaction acts like a first-order reaction. For example, if you have much more B present than A, even though B gets used up in the reaction, it's concentration hardly changes (for example, if you have 1 mole of A and 100 moles of B, the concentration of B decreases by only 1% when the reaction goes to completion). Under these conditions, we can treat the concentration of B as a constant, and the reaction acts like its a first-order reaction with the rate law: rate = k'[A]. Still, the half-life of A will depend on the initial amount of B that was present (although it will not depend on the concentration of A).
 

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