Which substance does rate in a rate equation refer to?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "rate" in chemical reactions, specifically in the context of rate equations and stoichiometry. Participants explore how the rate of reaction can be measured and the implications of stoichiometric coefficients on these measurements.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a reaction and notes that the rate can be expressed as k[X][Y], highlighting that the rate of change of [Y] is double that of [X] due to stoichiometry.
  • Another participant questions the unit of rate, indicating a potential confusion or need for clarification on the definition.
  • A later reply reiterates the initial point about the rate being associated with [X], suggesting that [Y] disappears at a different rate due to its stoichiometric coefficient.
  • Another participant provides a general formula for the rate of reaction, emphasizing the role of stoichiometric coefficients in determining the rate from the concentration of reagents.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on what the term "rate" specifically refers to in the context of the reaction, with some suggesting it relates to the concentration of [X] while others highlight the impact of stoichiometry on measuring rates. The discussion remains unresolved regarding a singular definition of "rate."

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the definition of rate and how it relates to stoichiometric coefficients, as well as the potential ambiguity in units of measurement.

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For instance, consider the reaction X + 2Y --> Z.

Suppose the reaction is first order with respect to both X and Y. We can write that "rate" = k[X][Y].

However, we could measure the rate of reaction as the (negative of the) rate of change of [X] OR that of [Y], however the rate of change of [Y] is double that of [X] due to the reaction stoichiometry.

So what does this notion of rate refer to? It must have a fixed definition since from the rate and concentrations we determine k, which is part of the Arrhenius equation.

Thank you
 
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What is the unit of rate ?

[edit] never mind, the definition (you did look it up :rolleyes: ?) is clear
 
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etotheipi said:
For instance, consider the reaction X + 2Y --> Z.

Suppose the reaction is first order with respect to both X and Y. We can write that "rate" = k[X][Y].

However, we could measure the rate of reaction as the (negative of the) rate of change of [X] OR that of [Y], however the rate of change of [Y] is double that of [X] due to the reaction stoichiometry.

So what does this notion of rate refer to? It must have a fixed definition since from the rate and concentrations we determine k, which is part of the Arrhenius equation.

Thank you
It would be X. Y would disappear twice as fast.
 
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Rate of reaction = 1/a*d[A]/dt where A is any reagent; a is the stoichiometric coefficient of A in the equation, and has a positive sign for products, negative for reactants.
 
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