Measure theory question on integrals.

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The discussion revolves around the implications of the equality of integrals involving two functions, specifically whether the condition ∫f×g dμ=∫h×g dμ for all integrable functions g implies that f equals h almost everywhere. The scope includes theoretical aspects of measure theory and integrals.

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  • One participant questions if the equality of integrals implies that f = h, seeking clarification on the nature of this implication.
  • Another participant asserts that f = h almost everywhere, provided the integrals exist.
  • A different participant emphasizes that equality of integrals does not imply equality of functions, only equality almost everywhere.
  • One participant inquires about the complexity of proving that f and h are equal almost everywhere, suggesting that it may not be trivial.
  • Another participant provides a claim related to the integral of a non-negative function being zero, stating that this leads to the conclusion that the function must be zero almost everywhere, indicating that this proof is not trivial and relies on measure properties.
  • A later reply discusses the implications of the integral of the difference between f and h being zero for all integrable g, introducing specific functions g_+ and g_- to illustrate the argument.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of integral equality, with some asserting that it leads to equality almost everywhere while others highlight the need for careful proof and the non-trivial nature of the claim.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the existence of integrals and the properties of measures, which are not fully explored or resolved within the thread.

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Hi, I was wondering whether if ∫f×g dμ=∫h×g dμ for all integrable functions g implies that f = h?

Thanks
 
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f = h almost everywhere, assuming the integrals exist.
 
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equality of integrals never implies equality, only equality a.e.
 
Hi, thanks for the replies. However is this something trivial or is it hard to prove (that thery're equal a.e.)?
 
Your claim was not properly explained, but I believe it is trivial to reduce it to this claim:

If \int\limits_X f(x)d\mu(x)=0 and f(x)\geq 0 for all x\in X, then f(x)=0 for \mu-"almost all" x\in X.

This claim is not trivial. You must use the properties of measures and integrals.

Assume that there exists a set A\subset X such that f(x)>0 for all x\in A, and also \mu(A)>0. Now you can define sets

<br /> A_1 = \{x\in A\;|\; f(x)&gt;1\}<br />
<br /> A_n = \Big\{x\in A\;\Big|\; \frac{1}{n-1}\geq f(x) &gt; \frac{1}{n}\Big\},\quad\quad n=2,3,4,\ldots<br />

Equality \mu(A)=\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\mu(A_n) will imply that at least one of the \mu(A_n) is positive.
 
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If

<br /> \int\limits_X \big(f(x)-h(x))g(x)d\mu(x)=0<br />

holds for all integrable g, then it will also hold for g_+ defined by

<br /> g_+(x)=\left\{\begin{array}{ll}<br /> 1,\quad &amp;f(x)-h(x)&gt;0\\<br /> 0,\quad &amp;f(x)-h(x)\leq 0\\<br /> \end{array}\right.<br />

and also for g_- defined similarly.
 

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