Measuring intensity of superposed waves using complex amplitudes

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the intensity of superposed waves using complex amplitudes, specifically within the context of the Jones formalism. Participants explore the relationship between electric field components and their contributions to intensity, addressing both theoretical and practical aspects of the calculation.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the intensity can be expressed as E_{x}^{2} + E_{y}^{2} + 2E_{x}E_{y}\cos\phi, questioning how to incorporate this into the Jones formalism.
  • Another participant challenges the initial result, suggesting that flipping the sign of E_{y} alters the calculated intensity, indicating a potential flaw in the reasoning.
  • A subsequent post reflects on the calculation method used to derive the intensity, expressing uncertainty about its correctness.
  • One participant asserts that E_{x}^{2} + E_{y}^{2} should be the correct expression for intensity, but this claim is met with skepticism regarding the relevance of phase in the calculation.
  • Another participant questions whether the phase is indeed irrelevant in the intensity calculation, highlighting a potential disagreement on the role of phase in determining intensity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct expression for intensity, with multiple competing views regarding the significance of phase in the calculation. The discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made in the calculations, particularly concerning the treatment of phase and the application of the Jones formalism. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the correct approach to intensity calculation.

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Hi,

Suppose we have the x and y components of the electric field being described as [itex](E_{x}e^{i(kz-\omega t)}, E_{y}e^{i(kz-\omega t +\phi)})[/itex], what is the intensity?

I think the correct answer is [itex]E_{x}^{2} +E_{y}^{2} + 2E_{x}E_{y}\cos\phi[/itex]. However, I am not sure how to deal with this using the Jones formalism. In that, the intensity is given by [itex]E^{\dagger}E[/itex] which would give

[tex]\begin{pmatrix} E_{x}e^{-i(kz-\omega t)} & E_{y}e^{-i(kz-\omega t +\phi)} \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} E_{x}e^{i(kz-\omega t)}\\ E_{y}e^{i(kz-\omega t +\phi)}\end{pmatrix} =E_{x}^{2} +E_{y}^{2}[/tex]

Clearly, the above answer is independent of the relative phase and I think it cannot be right because of that. So what is the correct way to calculate the intensity using Jones formalism? Thank you
 
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How do you get your first result?
If you flip the sign of Ey, you modify your calculated intensity, which is wrong.
 
The first result was using

[itex]I = (E_{x}e^{-i(kz-\omega t)}+ E_{y}e^{-i(kz-\omega t +\phi)})(E_{x}e^{i(kz-\omega t)}+ E_{y}e^{i(kz-\omega t +\phi)})[/itex]

Now that I think of it, this doesn't seem correct either. What is the correct expression for intensity?
 
E_x^2 + E_y^2 should be correct.
 
Are you sure about that? Is the phase completely irrelevant in the intensity calculation?
 

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