Measuring Mass Flow Rate of AlO2 Particles in Real-Time

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around methods for measuring the mass flow rate of small, fast, abrasive AlO2 particles in real-time. Participants explore various techniques, focusing on non-invasive options suitable for particles approximately 50 microns in diameter, which are expelled from a nozzle slightly larger than this size.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using Cavity Ringdown Spectroscopy (CRDS) but finds it unsuitable due to its focus on tracking smaller, slower particles in air.
  • Another participant proposes Laser Doppler Anemometry (LDA) as a potential method, expressing interest in its applicability to small particle flow.
  • Concerns are raised about the need for tracer particles in LDA, with a participant noting that AlO2 particles may serve this purpose due to their size.
  • There is a discussion about the importance of real-time measurement, with one participant suggesting that high-speed video might be an alternative approach.
  • One participant mentions previous issues with calibrating LDA and highlights the need to quantify the concentration of particles flowing through the tube, as the flow appears to be clumpy.
  • The concept of using an opacimeter is introduced, as it may provide a measure of particle concentration based on light extinction.
  • A request is made for suggestions on other easy-to-install devices that could provide instantaneous flow measurements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the suitability of different measurement techniques, with no consensus reached on a definitive method. There are concerns about the limitations of LDA and the need for real-time measurements, indicating ongoing exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenges of measuring particle concentration due to the clumpy nature of the flow and the potential limitations of the proposed methods, including the need for calibration and the specific requirements of the measurement setup.

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Hi all,

I've been asked to search for a way, cost isn't that big of an issue, to measure flow rate in real-time of small, fast, abrasive particles (AlO2). These particles are, on average, 50 microns in diameter, and are shot out of a nozzle, itself just a bit bigger than 50 microns.

Another requirement is that this detection system be non-invasive, i.e. it does not obstruct the flow itself.

So far, I've looked into using Cavity Ringdown Spectroscopy (CRDS), but it doesn't seem suitable because the method employed is tracking particles in the air, which are very small and very low speed.

I've also looked at a multi-pass optical cell, but that's more tailored towards analysis of exhaust gases and the like.

I'm currently looking at http://ej.iop.org/links/q08/Y7FohcpzMevEzI6PX7LwzQ/mst5_10_021.pdf [pdf], where they shoot light across the direction of the flow, and based on the attenuation, certain characteristics can be shown.

Any ideas on how to measure the mass flow rate of small AlO2 through a tube/nozzle?
 
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Laser doppler anemometry?
 
brewnog said:
Laser doppler anemometry?



I'm currently reading about it, and so far it looks good!

My concern atm is that it says its been used for http://www.dantecdynamics.com/LDA/Princip/Index.html ...

I'll read into whether it can be used for small, particle flow.

Thanks!

[edit]

Actually, the ppt presentation they have on that site also says "Velocity of particles
", and it looks like tracer particles are needed to measure the velocity.

How nice: AlO2 are the size of their tracer particles! :D

I'll update you once I show my supervisor this.
 
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Good stuff. Yeah, it's for fluid flow, but I was assuming that your particles would be suspended in air anyway. As far as I know, the seeding particles just need to be reflective, I don't think it matters too much what they actually are.

Let me know how it goes anyway!

How important is it to measure in real-time? High-speed video might be an easier option if it's viable.
 
brewnog said:
Let me know how it goes anyway!

How important is it to measure in real-time? High-speed video might be an easier option if it's viable.

Seems that they've tried LDA in the past, and there were issues in calibrating it and such.

In addition, my supervisor said that he's more interested in how concentrated the flow is, i.e. amount of particles flowing through a volume in the tube at anyone single time.

He wants this because it seems that the AlO2 comes out in clumps, i.e. many particles come out, then very little, then many, etc.
However, we want to have a way of quantifying this amount of flow at anyone time, hence, the opacimeter since the extinction coefficient is a measure of how much light is extinct => how many particles flow through.

Here's a picture of the setup:
https://my.ryerson.ca/bbcswebdav/users/m4yip/gt4/DSC07600.JPG

Is there any other device, preferably very easy to install and setup, that gives an instantaneous indication of how many particles are going through the tube?
 
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