Measuring Self-Capacitance & Self-Inductance of a Coil

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Self-capacitance and self-inductance of a coil can be complex to measure without knowing the number of turns. The self-inductance (L) is calculated using the formula L = - (dI/dt) * (1/Us), where Us is the self-inductivity voltage. To determine self-inductivity voltage, one must calculate inductivity using the number of turns and electromagnetic resistance. Basic measurements of current, voltage, and resistance are necessary, and while some formulas can help, many users find it easier to purchase a digital inductance/capacitance meter for convenience. Accurate calculations require specific values related to the coil's geometry and material properties.
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the self-capacitance and self-inductance of a coil? Are there equations for these where I won't need to know the number of turns? Since I think #2 is no, are there meters I can buy to measure this, or can I use the measurements from a volt/resistence meter I already have?
 
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the self-inductivity is given by :

L = - (dI/dt)*(1/Us)

where dI/dt is speed of current variation (dI is current variation, dt is time of variation), and Us is sefinductivity voltage.
 
Thanks for repling! How do I know the self-inductivity voltage? Any ideas about self-capacitance? L seems like it should be proportional to the # of turns or the length of wire or something, why not?
 
oi couldn't figure the easier way for determining selfinductivity if you already have em. coil, so here it is :

we need basic three values about coil, it's current, voltage, and resistance. i believe you already know voltage, so you can measure the resistance of coil with normal ohmmeter, and then get current with I = U / R.

we need to know number of turns too. use the formula R = ro * (l/S), where ro is specific resistance (you can find those values on the internet for every material, for copper is 0,0175), l is length of wire and s is surface (in mm2). then you can use simple geometry to determine number of turns. you need to know the surface value for that. N = lair / 2*sqrt(S/3.14). lair is length of coil, not of wire, and you can use normal meter to measure it.

in my previous post i gave that formula. Us is selfinductivity, and L is inductivity. Us is voltage that appears when magnetic flux changes inside the coil as direct effect of current change trough coil. so we need to know inductivity to determine selfinductivity.

Us = -L*(dI/dt)

inductivity : L = N^2 / Rm . we already calculated number of turns so onlything that's left is Rm, the electromagnetic resistance.

Rm = theta / fi

theta = I * N , the magnetomotoric force. we have both of values required, the current trough coil and number of turns

fi = B * S, the magnetic flux. note that S here isn't same as surface of the wire, it's the surface of electromagnetic pole. you can determine it by measuring the radius of the coil, and then using r^2*pi.

B = [mi-zero]*[mi-relative]*(I*N)/l , the field strenght. [mi-zero] is permeability of free space constant, and it equals 1,257e-6 (0,000001257). [mi-relative] is permeability of core. if your coil doesn't have iron or other core beneath it, then youre using air coil, and [mi-relative] is 1. for other materials refer to this URL : http://www.oz.net/~coilgun/theory/materials.htm.
 
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That was a little over my head and more work than I was expecting. I'm thinking maybe I should just buy a digital inductance/capacitance meter...
 
it's not that hard. if you post here all specifications you have on your system, i'd be happy to do the math for you.
 
I don't yet have a particular system in mind. When I do, I will PM you, thanks.
 
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