Measuring Voltage with Step-Down Adapters: Questions & Answers

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This discussion focuses on measuring voltage using step-down adapters in energy monitoring systems, specifically referencing the OpenEnergyMonitor project. The key point established is that the low source impedance of AC mains power allows for accurate voltage measurement from any outlet in a household, assuming balanced two-phase loads. The discussion clarifies that appliances like dryers and air conditioners, which may be on separate circuits, do not affect the overall voltage measurement from a single outlet due to the robust power delivery capabilities of the electrical grid.

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I am currently building an energy monitor according the the specifications of this site,http://openenergymonitor.org/emon/node/59. I understand how the current is measured but I am confused by the voltage measurement circuit.
I do not understand how the step-down adapter can correctly measure voltage usage from one outlet. I understand that the lights and outlets are in series but I was reading that typically dryers and air conditioners are typically on a separate circuit. So how can the voltage used from these appliances be measured from the one outlet?

Thanks.
 
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whiterabbot1 said:
I am currently building an energy monitor according the the specifications of this site,http://openenergymonitor.org/emon/node/59. I understand how the current is measured but I am confused by the voltage measurement circuit.
I do not understand how the step-down adapter can correctly measure voltage usage from one outlet. I understand that the lights and outlets are in series but I was reading that typically dryers and air conditioners are typically on a separate circuit. So how can the voltage used from these appliances be measured from the one outlet?

Thanks.

The source imedance for your AC Mains power is very low, so unless there is a fault somewhere, you can measure you whole-house AC Mains voltage from any outlet in your house. This assumes that your two phase loads are reasonably well balanced (USA comment).
 
I know that you can but I do not understand why you can. If you could point me to some good resources that would be great.

Thanks.
 
When berkeman says,
The source impedance for your AC Mains power is very low...
(bold p added by me), implies that the transformer that is providing this power is rated so the voltage won't sag when you take power from it. Also, the power company is able to deliver such large amounts of power that flipping on a light switch has really no effect on lowering what can be supplied.

Here's a couple of links that you might find interesting.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/hsehld2.html#c1"
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/hsehld.html#c1"

Regards
 
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Most likely this can only be answered by an "old timer". I am making measurements on an uA709 op amp (metal can). I would like to calculate the frequency rolloff curves (I can measure them). I assume the compensation is via the miller effect. To do the calculations I would need to know the gain of the transistors and the effective resistance seen at the compensation terminals, not including the values I put there. Anyone know those values?

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