Mechanics~polar coordinate & radial and transverse component

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of polar coordinates, specifically focusing on the radial and transverse components, their definitions, and their relationships to Cartesian coordinates. Participants explore the mathematical representation and geometric interpretation of these components.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the direction of increasing θ in polar coordinates and whether it corresponds to a circular path, seeking clarification on the behavior of the unit vector eθ.
  • Another participant provides a mathematical description of the position vector in Cartesian coordinates and its relation to polar coordinates, defining the basis vectors and demonstrating their orthogonality.
  • A participant expresses understanding of the topic, indicating prior knowledge.
  • One participant suggests that substituting Cartesian coordinates can help clarify uncertainties in polar coordinates, proposing it as a useful method for verification.
  • Another participant acknowledges the advice regarding the use of Cartesian coordinates for checking polar coordinate concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion includes a mix of questions, clarifications, and expressions of understanding, with no clear consensus on the initial questions posed about the direction of eθ and its implications.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the definitions and properties of polar coordinates and their relationship to Cartesian coordinates remain unaddressed, and there are unresolved questions regarding the proof of certain properties.

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http://www.answers.com/topic/radial-and-transverse-components

From the above link,
1) e θ is a unit vector perpendicular to r in the direction of increasing θ.
Where is the direction of increasing θ? Is that a circle? θ Increase from 0 to 2∏.then eθ moves in a circle? direction always changes?
2) dr/dθ= eθ , and eθ is a unit vector, this is being defined ?why do we know that dr/dθ is the unit vector that is perpendicular to the radius? Do we have anything to prove it?
Please teach, thanks
 
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The cartesian coordinates of the position vector in the plane (taken out the origin) can be described in terms of polar coordinates (r,\theta by
\vec{r}=\begin{pmatrix}x \\ y \end{pmatrix} = r \begin{pmatrix} \cos \theta \\ \sin \theta \end{pmatrix}.
The polar-coordinate lines define the basis vectors of polar coordinates
\vec{b}_r=\frac{\partial \vec{r}}{\partial r}=\begin{pmatrix} \cos \theta \\ \sin \theta \end{pmatrix}, \quad \vec{b}_{\vartheta}=\frac{\partial \vec{r}}{\partial \theta}=r \begin{pmatrix} -\sin \theta \\ \cos \theta \end{pmatrix}.
You can easily check that these two vectors are perpendicular to each other
\vec{b}_r \cdot \vec{b}_{\theta}=0.
Usually for such orthogonal curved coordinates one introduces the normalized vectors along the coordinate lines. The lengths of the basis vectors are |\vec{b}_r|=1 and |\vec{b}_{\theta}|=r. Thus the normalized basis vectors are given by
\vec{e}_r=\vec{b}_r=\begin{pmatrix} \cos \theta \\ \sin \theta \end{pmatrix}, \quad \vec{e}_{\theta}=\frac{1}{r} \vec{b}_{\theta} = \begin{pmatrix}-\sin \theta \\ \cos \theta \end{pmatrix}.
 
understand already ,thanks :smile:
 
I think generally, with polar coordinates, if you are ever unsure about something, you can substitute Cartesian coordinates, and see why it works. A good way to check.
 
Cartesian and polar coordinate.
ok, thanks for advice.
 

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