Significance of terms of acceleration in polar coordinates

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The discussion revolves around understanding the components of acceleration in polar coordinates, particularly focusing on the significance of the terms in the eθ direction. Participants explore theoretical aspects, practical examples, and experiential learning methods related to acceleration in polar coordinates.

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  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to understand the significance of the terms in the acceleration formula, particularly the components in the eθ direction, and expresses a desire to "feel" the terms rather than just memorize the formula.
  • Another participant suggests starting with uniform circular motion to build understanding, gradually adding complications to see which terms remain relevant as conditions change.
  • A later reply proposes a practical approach by engaging in a physical activity, such as using a merry-go-round, to experience the effects of the terms in a tangible way.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of understanding the terms conceptually and suggest different methods to achieve this understanding. However, there is no consensus on a single approach or explanation that fully addresses the initial inquiry.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about the conditions under which the acceleration terms apply, such as uniform circular motion and changing rates of spin and distance from the axis. These assumptions are not resolved and may affect the interpretation of the terms.

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How do i get an idea, or a 'feel' of the components of the acceleration in polar coordinates which constitute the component in the eθ direction?

from what i know, a= (r¨−rθ˙^2) er + (rθ¨+ 2r˙θ˙) eθ ;

(where er and eθ are unit vectors in the radial direction and the direction of increase of the polar angle, θ.)

The two components in er direction--- r¨ and rθ˙^2 are the usual acceleration along radius vector and the centrifugal force experienced. But what is the significance of the other two terms?. Is there any day-to-day or a common situation where we experience the Coriolis force and the other term?

I can memorize the formula and use it, but i will truly 'understand' its significance only if i can 'feel' the terms..

Thanks!
 
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Mind----Blown said:
How do i get an idea, or a 'feel' of the components of the acceleration in polar coordinates which constitute the component in the eθ direction?

from what i know, a= (r¨−rθ˙^2) er + (rθ¨+ 2r˙θ˙) eθ ;

(where er and eθ are unit vectors in the radial direction and the direction of increase of the polar angle, θ.)

The two components in er direction--- r¨ and rθ˙^2 are the usual acceleration along radius vector and the centrifugal force experienced. But what is the significance of the other two terms?. Is there any day-to-day or a common situation where we experience the Coriolis force and the other term?

I can memorize the formula and use it, but i will truly 'understand' its significance only if i can 'feel' the terms..

Thanks!

Here's what you can do, and it is a step-by-step "addition of complications":

1. Start with something you know. What does the equation looks like if you have a uniform circular motion, i.e. r=constant, and dθ/dt = constant?

2. Now, add the case where dθ/dt is not a constant, i.e. the object is still at the same radius, but the rate of it spinning around the axis is changing. What terms survive now?

3. Now what if dr/dt is not zero, but a constant? The object is now having not only a changing rate of spin, but also it is changing its distance from the axis at a constant rate. Which terms survive?

4. Finally, what if the radial acceleration is not zero, i.e. dr/dt is no longer a constant?

You start with something you know of conceptually, and then you start loosening the constraints. Each of the term that starts to survive is related to the constraints. Try it. See if this helps you to have a physical understanding of what each of those terms represents.

Zz.
 
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Mind----Blown said:
i will truly 'understand' its significance only if i can 'feel' the terms..
You and a friend or two should go to a park, get on a merry go round, and throw a ball to each other. That will certainly help you "feel" the terms in a visceral manner.
 
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Dale said:
You and a friend or two should go to a park, get on a merry go round, and throw a ball to each other. That will certainly help you "feel" the terms in a visceral manner.
Also, get on the merry go round closer to the axis than he is, and walk toward your friend.
 

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