Mechanics Problem: Understanding the Tricycle Phenomenon Explained

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The discussion revolves around the mechanics of a tricycle where the pedals are locked to the wheel. Participants debate the effects of a force applied to the pedals, with some suggesting it could cause the tricycle to move backward, while others argue that it would actually move forward. The role of friction is emphasized, indicating that sufficient traction is necessary for the tricycle to move. Confusion arises over the concept of "semicircular" force and the complexity of the problem, with some asserting that the solution is not intuitive without practical experimentation. Ultimately, the consensus is that overcoming static friction is crucial for any movement of the tricycle.
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Mechanics problem - Tricycle?

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On the tricycle above, the pedals are locked to the wheel.
What happens when the Force pulls in the picture above and why?

- I think that the wheel will spin the other way, making the tricycle drive backwards. Is this correct?

Thank you for the help
 
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Welcome to PF, Emant, but I have no idea what the hell you're asking. To start with, if this is homework you're in the wrong section.
Anyhow, the force applied to a cycle's pedals is semicircular, not linear. The force applied to the road by the tire is linear, but in the opposite direction to what you've indicated by the arrow. This is a confusing post.
 
The possibilities seem to be:
- The friction is low, and the whole bike will slide forward (despite the front wheel turning a bit in the backward direction).
- The force is low, and so friction will prevent anything from happening.
- Both the force and the friction are high, and so the whole bike will start to pivot over the point where the front wheel touches the ground, falling upside down.
 
Danger said:
Welcome to PF, Emant, but I have no idea what the hell you're asking. To start with, if this is homework you're in the wrong section.
Anyhow, the force applied to a cycle's pedals is semicircular, not linear. The force applied to the road by the tire is linear, but in the opposite direction to what you've indicated by the arrow. This is a confusing post.

What do YOU mean by a *semicircular* force? I've never heard of such a thing.

As for the tricycle, the solution can either be exremely difficult or extremely simple depending on the analysis. I don't think the answer is intuitive unless you actually try it with a tricycle.
 
Depends greatly on the traction of the wheel on the ground.
 
DaveC426913 said:
Depends greatly on the traction of the wheel on the ground.

Assume there is just enough friction so that the wheel can rotate without slipping. The more you think about this proble, the more difficult it will be to solve. Think simple!
 
heafnerj said:
Assume there is just enough friction so that the wheel can rotate without slipping. The more you think about this proble, the more difficult it will be to solve. Think simple!
Personally, I don;t see how it could move backwards at all. You pull on the pedal, and the tricycle will move forward.

You can't possibly pull the pedal forward and have the tricycle move backward. My point about the traction is that you won't be able to pull the tricycle forward without overcoming the static friction on the ground.
 
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