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Mental Calculation - How good are you?

  1. Jul 22, 2004 #1
    How many digits of number can you multiply mentally? I can just manage two digits... :biggrin: :cry:

    Recently I've be reading Roger Penrose's Emperor's New Mind,

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  3. Jul 23, 2004 #2
    But how about calculating [tex]e^3 [/tex] or [tex]e^{1.4} [/tex] mentally?

    To find out how, read "Surely you're joking Mr. Feynman"
     
  4. Jul 23, 2004 #3

    HallsofIvy

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    I can barely do one digit multiplications. That why I became a mathematician- I can work with "x"s and "y"s and not worry about actual numbers!
     
  5. Jul 23, 2004 #4
    Omg - 8 digits!!
    That's like SPECIAL!!
     
  6. Jul 23, 2004 #5

    Njorl

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    I can use a few tricks, like using logarithms, or near neighbors to rapidly get very good approximations, but that's it.

    I remember hearing that Meyer Lansky, as a child, would watch freight trains go by and add up their serial numbers as they passed. One of the things that helped him in his criminal enterprises is that he never needed to write anything down. He could memorize all of the accounting entries for his illicit businesses.

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  7. Jul 23, 2004 #6

    Gokul43201

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    In high school, we used to play games like finding logarithms or cube roots of randomly chosen numbers, and the first to get 4 sig figs right was the winner. Also, if no one got a correct solution in 60 seconds, that's when we stopped.

    Some of the commonly used tricks were : knowing and using logarithms of common numbers (2,3,5,7), using binomial expansions and nearly-linear interpolations between nearby outputs. The art of interpolating along the logarithmic curve (make a linear interpolation and adjust upwards correctly) usually helped the most.

    I can only multiply 2 digit numbers and some 3 digit numbers (by stricly multiplying), but there are always nicer big numbers, and often, you don't need the exact product.

    PS : Ypu might want to Google "Shakuntala Devi" - she can consistently multiply pairs of 10 digit numbers in under a minute. Her record, I think, is a pair of 13 digit numbers in under 30 seconds ! :eek:
     
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  8. Jul 23, 2004 #7

    BobG

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    I can multiply or square 2 digit numbers very quickly. With that, I can divide or find square roots for 4 digit numbers to 2 digits and can usually interpolate to extend the precision to 3 or 4 digits. The only work I've done with logs is with decibels. With dB's, if you know the log of 2 is about .3 and the log of 10 is 1, 100 is 2, etc, you're accurate enough for most situations (i.e. - If you have an input of 25 Watts with a 17 dB gain, your output is about 2500/2 or about 1250 Watts).
     
  9. Jul 23, 2004 #8

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    I can't even add or subtract a pair of two-digit numbers in my head. I have the worst short-term memory of anyone I know.
     
  10. Jul 24, 2004 #9
    I can multiply two square digit accurately, but not quickly though...

    My trick is using the expansion:

    (a+b)^2=a^2+b^2+2ab or
    (a-b)^2=a^2+b^2-2ab :biggrin:
     
  11. Jul 24, 2004 #10
    Multiplying long numbers together can be done with the following method:

    Units = Units x Units
    Tens = Units x Tens + Tens x Units
    Hundreds = Units x Hundreds + Tens x Tens + Hundreds x Units
    Thousands = Units x Thousands + Tens x Hundreds + Hundreds x Tens +Thousands x Units

    and so on. Of course you have a carry term from each stage. Keeping track of it all isn't that difficult. Speed and accuracy are more of a problem, but I dare say they would come with practice.
     
  12. Jul 27, 2004 #11
    I feel a bit like that too. I didn't spend much time memorizing multiplication tables as a child, and I'm pretty poor at mental arithmetic. I can usually work algebra problems through many steps in my head, though.
     
  13. Jul 28, 2004 #12
    Terrible :(

    Unless you count the calculator as an extension to the brain...
     
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