Mesh Analysis: Converting from Time to Frequency Domain with Correct Equations

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The discussion focuses on converting circuit equations from the time domain to the frequency domain using mesh analysis to find currents I1, I2, and I3, and subsequently determining the voltage Ve. Participants verify mesh equations and discuss the correct representation of complex impedances for inductors and capacitors. There is clarification on calculating the voltage across the capacitor and converting it back to the time domain, with emphasis on ensuring the correct signs and values for complex currents. The conversation also touches on the use of software tools like Mathcad for solving complex systems of equations efficiently. Overall, the thread emphasizes accuracy in calculations and the importance of understanding complex number representations in electrical engineering.
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Homework Statement


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1. Convert from time to freq domain
2. Use mesh analysis to find I1, I2, I3
3. Find Ve and convert it to time domain

Homework Equations


KVL
V=IR

The Attempt at a Solution


Are these mesh equations correct?
45cos(500t) -> 45V
80mH -> 40j
50mH -> 25j
25uF -> -80j
12.5uF -> -160j

Mesh1
(100+40j+25j+200)I1 - 200I2 - 400jI3 = 0
Mesh2
-45 + (200-80j)I2 - (200I1) + 80jI3 = 0
Mesh3
(-80j-160j+25j)I3 + 80jI2 -25jI1 = 0
 
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I don't see the 200 Ω resistor being affected by I1 in the first mesh equation.
 
gneill said:
I don't see the 200 Ω resistor being affected by I1 in the first mesh equation.
Can't believe I missed that. Do the other two look fine?
Are there any "shortcut strategies" for solving a system of three equations with complex variables?
 
eehelp150 said:
Can't believe I missed that. Do the other two look fine?
Are there any "shortcut strategies" for solving a system of three equations with complex variables?
The others look okay to me.

No shortcuts other than using a software package to do the heavy lifting. I'm partial to Mathcad myself, putting the equations into matrix form and using the built in solver.
 
gneill said:
The others look okay to me.

No shortcuts other than using a software package to do the heavy lifting. I'm partial to Mathcad myself, putting the equations into matrix form and using the built in solver.
For mesh1, it should be -25jI3 instead of 400jI3
I used an online calculator and got this:
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Your 1,3 entry of the matrix should be identical to the 3,1 entry.

Here's a Mathcad version:
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gneill said:
Your 1,3 entry of the matrix should be identical to the 3,1 entry.

Here's a Mathcad version:
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Is the voltage across Ve simply (I3-I2) * Impedance of 25uF capacitor?
 
eehelp150 said:
Is the voltage across Ve simply (I3-I2) * Impedance of 25uF capacitor?
Make that (I2 - I3)*Z25μF. I2 flows into the top of the capacitor, so it'll produce a voltage drop in the correct direction.
 
gneill said:
Make that (I2 - I3)*Z25μF. I2 flows into the top of the capacitor, so it'll produce a voltage drop in the correct direction.
I ended up getting 9.988 < -43.347 volts.
Converting to time domain would give: 9.988cos(500t - 43.347) right?
 
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eehelp150 said:
I ended up getting 9.988 < -43.347 volts.
Converting to time domain would give: 9.988cos(500t - 43.347) right?
That looks a bit small. Can you show that calculation in detail?
 
  • #11
gneill said:
That looks a bit small. Can you show that calculation in detail?
(I2-I3) * (-j80)
= (0.086 + 0.091j) * (-j80)
= -6.88j - 7.248j^2
=7.248-6.88j

sqrt(7.248^2 + 6.88^2) = 9.99 < -43.5 degrees
 
  • #12
What values are you using for I2 and I3?
 
  • #13
gneill said:
What values are you using for I2 and I3?
I2 = 0.1188 + 0.1314j
I3 = 0.0329 + 0.0408j

EDIT:
Are these the correct values?
I2 = 0.52013055631408 +0.24535752634041i
I3=0.15152422756397 +0.07991035923825i
 
  • #14
eehelp150 said:
I2 = 0.1188 + 0.1314j
I3 = 0.0329 + 0.0408j
They don't match your results from post #5. Has something changed?
 
  • #15
gneill said:
They don't match your results from post #5. Has something changed?
Lack of sleep I guess :P
I plugged in the wrong value to the calculator.

New value for Ve: 32.3<65.88 degrees
 
  • #16
eehelp150 said:
Lack of sleep I guess :P
I plugged in the wrong value to the calculator.

New value for Ve: 32.3<65.88 degrees
Better. Confirm the sign of the angle.
 
  • #17
gneill said:
Better. Confirm the sign of the angle.
Why is it -65.88 instead of 65.88? I recall this being covered in class but I forgot. The calculator spits out 65.88
 
  • #18
eehelp150 said:
Why is it -65.88 instead of 65.88? I recall this being covered in class but I forgot. The calculator spits out 65.88
What are the Cartesian components of the complex value?
 
  • #19
gneill said:
What are the Cartesian components of the complex value?
Fourth quadrant.
I get it now.
 

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